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Nacho__Vidal #1 Posted 12 June 2017 - 01:33 PM

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No . But atm is a great tank . But what i don't understand why it gets so fu..d when it does its job . 10 k spoting dosent alow me to get Ace tanker? Wtf?

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JuliusCheddar #2 Posted 12 June 2017 - 01:36 PM

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That clickbait mate

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Enforcer1975 #3 Posted 12 June 2017 - 01:37 PM

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Too many good players scoring higher than you. Base xp was 1246? You probably missed it by like 50-100.

Got lucky here i guess....did basically no damage but the team carried me. http://wotreplays.com/site/3641608#stats


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_EXODUZ_ #4 Posted 12 June 2017 - 01:44 PM

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You need more xp. Base defence, frags, etc, helps a lot. My only Ace in it and it took me a while. :amazed:

 



Nacho__Vidal #5 Posted 12 June 2017 - 01:52 PM

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You dont get my point . I have a lot of games with 13 90 some like this Posted Image

The ideea is that you dont get the reward for what this tank is in the game in the 1 time . Its a light shoud have better reward for spoting . My 2 cents .



Balc0ra #6 Posted 12 June 2017 - 02:10 PM

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Spotting XP rewards is way to low atm. As my lights in +0 games vs just equal tier targets, gets way less XP then arty with stun assist. I had 7K assist, and it was not enough for 700 XP even. Arty had 4000 stun assist and 50 less damage then me. Got fist place.

 

I don't mind that the friendly hitting your target gets half the XP. But assist should be at least 75% of the damage XP if they want the lights to do their job. As most now farm damage over assist from the 2nd line in their lights. Even as top tier. As a grind will take 3x longer if you played your role farming assist over damage.


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Ah ok, you still think light tank = scout tank.

 

No, this is no longer valid. If light is top tier, it must not play scout role, you have to deal damage also. So yeah you can not just use it as a scout now. it must do scouting and also damage.


That is implication of MM changes and introduction of tier 10 scouts. Get used to it.



gpalsson #8 Posted 12 June 2017 - 06:29 PM

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It's a light tank, not a scout tank.

Balc0ra #9 Posted 12 June 2017 - 06:29 PM

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View PostOneSock, on 12 June 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

Ah ok, you still think light tank = scout tank.

 

No, this is no longer valid. If light is top tier, it must not play scout role, you have to deal damage also. So yeah you can not just use it as a scout now. it must do scouting and also damage.


  

 

See... Everyone thinks like that now. That's why most matches are played with zero intel these days, and you rarely get early spots on what goes where. As it's not their job to spot when they are top tier. Even when they are the only light on your team. And thus you get the intel after Edited has hit the fan. Thus I don't mind using my view range over my gun in my lights... even when top tier.  

 


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ExclamationMark #10 Posted 12 June 2017 - 06:32 PM

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Are you a Edited or do I actually need to explain why you didn't get an ace?

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gpalsson #11 Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:35 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 12 June 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

 

See... Everyone thinks like that now. That's why most matches are played with zero intel these days, and you rarely get early spots on what goes where. As it's not their job to spot when they are top tier. Even when they are the only light on your team. And thus you get the intel after s#@t has hit the fan. Thus I don't mind using my view range over my gun in my lights... even when top tier.  

 

 

Well, as top tier it may (or may not) be the thing to do. It totally depends on the map and team composition.

But one doesn't exclude the other. LT's can spot, but they can do a lot more.

E25 is also an excellent scout and spotter.



Nacho__Vidal #12 Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:58 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 12 June 2017 - 06:32 PM, said:

Are you a moron or do I actually need to explain why you didn't get an ace?

 

Do tell me mister rerol ... I need to hear it from u . 

 



Balc0ra #13 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:15 PM

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View Postgpalsson, on 12 June 2017 - 08:35 PM, said:

 

Well, as top tier it may (or may not) be the thing to do. It totally depends on the map and team composition.

But one doesn't exclude the other. LT's can spot, but they can do a lot more.

E25 is also an excellent scout and spotter.

 

​Well I used the example when only lights the team has are top tiers. And still they refuse to scout. My Cromwell B and E25 had picked up the intel slack many times the last patch. Even my Udes got 10K assist one time as the 13 90 sat 200m behind me. Since he more or less said the same thing "I'm top tier, not my job". And he was the only light we had... on Prokhorovka. As again.. assist don't reward enough IMO to promote scout play from anyone, regardless of class... or tier. As was the point. 

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Shnuks #14 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:17 PM

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Yes it is OP.

gpalsson #15 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:42 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 12 June 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

 

​Well I used the example when only lights the team has are top tiers. And still they refuse to scout. My Cromwell B and E25 had picked up the intel slack many times the last patch. Even my Udes got 10K assist one time as the 13 90 sat 200m behind me. Since he more or less said the same thing "I'm top tier, not my job". And he was the only light we had... on Prokhorovka. As again.. assist don't reward enough IMO to promote scout play from anyone, regardless of class... or tier. As was the point. 

 

Chances are, if he is sitting 200m behind you, he is a terrible player and he wouldn't have brains to scout anyway and would instantly explode on first or second encounter and would then be of even less use than sniping from 200m behind you.

I'm not trying to defend him doing a Edited job, just trying to put some perspective on his Edited play and what benefits the team most.

That kind of player are only good in MAUS and defender.


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Nacho__Vidal #16 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:58 PM

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I will do the spoting 100 % of the time when i play with light . Becouse the problem of this game is Edited who dont know the role of the tank they play in . 

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View Postrammstein_n, on 12 June 2017 - 09:58 PM, said:

I will do the spoting 100 % of the time when i play with light . Becouse the problem of this game is Edited  who dont know the role of the tank they play in . 

 

exactly. You are one of them.

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Nacho__Vidal #18 Posted 12 June 2017 - 11:06 PM

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Ofc master ... how can i argue with u ...

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View Postrammstein_n, on 12 June 2017 - 08:58 PM, said:

Do tell me mister rerol ... I need to hear it from u . 

 

You did a lot of spotting damage, congratulations.

 

You may have noticed in your 46000 games that, in order to receive an ace, you need to do either a lot of damage, or a lot of spotting + a decent amount of damage. You did 2 shots of damage. That is not sufficient for an ace in any tank (excluding very high alpha ones). I gather that you did not know this from your post. Quite impressive from someone with such an amount of games played.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 12 June 2017 - 09:15 PM, said:

​Well I used the example when only lights the team has are top tiers. And still they refuse to scout. My Cromwell B and E25 had picked up the intel slack many times the last patch. Even my Udes got 10K assist one time as the 13 90 sat 200m behind me. Since he more or less said the same thing "I'm top tier, not my job". And he was the only light we had... on Prokhorovka. As again.. assist don't reward enough IMO to promote scout play from anyone, regardless of class... or tier. As was the point. 

 

Same problem two days ago on highway.

tier 10 battle, 2 tier 9 WZs are the only lights we got, their WN8 above 2000 - they went into the the city with the heavies. We had no other tanks capable of spotting well, the team was blind and we got picked apart from long range of course we lost really quickly.

One of these useless lights was from mighty garde the other I forgot. that's no way to play.






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