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Maty83_Cz #1 Posted 12 June 2017 - 07:50 PM

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Okay, it's been over 2 years and we haven't heard about the Chieftain being added. This makes me wonder if it ever will be on the PC version. (It is already on the console version) Can we get a response? The tank seems far more interesting than my FV215b, which is outclassed in every category by its counterparts. Are there any reasons not to release the Chieftain in the state it's on the console version? Why isn't it on the PC? Will we ever actually get it?

ZlatanArKung #2 Posted 12 June 2017 - 07:51 PM

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When hell has frozen to ice it will not be in the to distant future.

 

Or.

 

Soon™....


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It wont I think basically because if it was anything like it is in real life it would pretty much wreck every tank in the game without being touched.

Cannes76 #4 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:28 PM

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Stop failing with the fv 215b, it is an awesome tank, but yes everyone would also like to have the chieftain.

Enderman21 #5 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:41 PM

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TheAnnihilator_1 #6 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:52 PM

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I really would like to see the chieftain come in - maybe with better hull armor though. However I love the FV215B and to see it go will be ruining my game. So what I personally suggest is that the chieftain sprouts off the conqueror as well as the FV or a new British heavy branch is formed. either way, I would like to see them both in the game and in the British tech tree.

leggasiini #7 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:58 PM

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Spoiler

 

Seriously though, WG thought about Chieftain since 2012 shortly after brit tree introducion and "confirmed" that it will come...IN 2014.



_Anarchistic_ #8 Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:48 AM

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presumably when Mrs Chieftan buys a bottle of wine?

 

however, I really do want an HD FV



Spurtung #9 Posted 13 June 2017 - 06:33 AM

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View PostMaty83_Cz, on 12 June 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

FV215b, which is outclassed in every category by its counterparts.

2nd (to the Obj 260) in standard pen, by 1mm. 3rd best pen with premium rounds, by 14mm.

Best reload and RoF.

Best aiming time.

Best dispersion.

Best DPM, or 2nd best if Type 5 has the derp gun, which won't deal anywhere near max damage on most shots anyway.

 

So, in every category you say?


Edited by Spurtung, 13 June 2017 - 06:39 AM.


thestaggy #10 Posted 13 June 2017 - 06:52 AM

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EDIT: For some reason this post bugged out, only included my last sentence. See below for my full thoughts.

Edited by thestaggy, 13 June 2017 - 06:58 AM.


_Anarchistic_ #11 Posted 13 June 2017 - 06:54 AM

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View Postthestaggy, on 13 June 2017 - 06:52 AM, said:

If you go for ahistorical nerfs to balance it by weakening the hull you end up with a fast Conqueror. 

 

huh? lower plate not great but better than conqueror and upper plate angling makes it an auto bounce

 



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I honestly don't see how it can be added to the game.

 

We are talking about a tank with 390 mm of effective hull and turret armour. That is 100 mm thicker than the heaviest frontal armour on a Maus and only surpassed by the angles of the Type 5 Heavy's sloped mid-plate and hull shoulders. The only tank in the game that can defeat those armour values is the Jagdpanzer E100 firing HEAT. Not to mention the Chieftain is a significantly smaller tank and infinitely more mobile, so even if the lower plate is weak it isn't going to be easy to hit. It was also designed to exploit hulldown positions, so that also means gun depression coupled with that immense turret, so good luck even trying to hit a weakspot. If you do dig it out, nae bother, we're talking near medium levels of mobility. It is akin to a super heavy on a medium platform.

 

If you go ahistorical and nerf the hull armour to balance it you just have a fast Conqueror.

 

EDIT: I see that it is in tanks.gg and has a weak hull, so it seems they did take a liberty with it because everything I have read has put the hull armour values higher than those of the WoT model, so they can actually do it if they want to.


Edited by thestaggy, 13 June 2017 - 07:19 AM.


_Anarchistic_ #13 Posted 13 June 2017 - 07:21 AM

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View Postthestaggy, on 13 June 2017 - 06:57 AM, said:

I honestly don't see how it can be added to the game.

 

We are talking about a tank with 390 mm of effective hull and turret armour. That is 100 mm thicker than the heaviest frontal armour on a Maus and only surpassed by the angles of the Type 5 Heavy's sloped mid-plate and hull shoulders. The only tank in the game that can defeat those armour values is the Jagdpanzer E100 firing HEAT. Not to mention the Chieftain is a significantly smaller tank and infinitely more mobile, so even if the lower plate is weak it isn't going to be easy to hit. It was also designed to exploit hulldown positions, so that also means gun depression coupled with that immense turret, so good luck even trying to hit a weakspot. If you do dig it out, nae bother, we're talking near medium levels of mobility. It is a super heavy on a medium platform.

 

If you go ahistorical and nerf the hull armour to balance it you just have a fast Conqueror.

 

ok, it might be a bit OP with an invulnerable turret

 

since when that been an issue?  IS-7, New Swedes, Maus and Type 5 buffs, new premiums like Chrysler

 

its also in console so they know how it plays and can mod it as required



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View Postthestaggy, on 13 June 2017 - 07:57 AM, said:

I honestly don't see how it can be added to the game.

 

We are talking about a tank with 390 mm of effective hull and turret armour. That is 100 mm thicker than the heaviest frontal armour on a Maus and only surpassed by the angles of the Type 5 Heavy's sloped mid-plate and hull shoulders. The only tank in the game that can defeat those armour values is the Jagdpanzer E100 firing HEAT. Not to mention the Chieftain is a significantly smaller tank and infinitely more mobile, so even if the lower plate is weak it isn't going to be easy to hit. It was also designed to exploit hulldown positions, so that also means gun depression coupled with that immense turret, so good luck even trying to hit a weakspot. If you do dig it out, nae bother, we're talking near medium levels of mobility. It is akin to a super heavy on a medium platform.

 

If you go ahistorical and nerf the hull armour to balance it you just have a fast Conqueror.

 

EDIT: I see that it is in tanks.gg and has a weak hull, so it seems they did take a liberty with it because everything I have read has put the hull armour values higher than those of the WoT model, so they can actually do it if they want to.

 

And it doesn't have that strong turret either. That doesn't really make a competitive tank. 

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View PostStewie2ie, on 13 June 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

 

ok, it might be a bit OP with an invulnerable turret

 

since when that been an issue?  IS-7, New Swedes, Maus and Type 5 buffs, new premiums like Chrysler

 

its also in console so they know how it plays and can mod it as required

 

It doesn't have invulnerable turret. lol Cupola is 60mm and above the gun is fairly large area around 240mm effective. Check tanks.gg. 

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View PostStewie2ie, on 13 June 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

 

ok, it might be a bit OP with an invulnerable turret

 

since when that been an issue?  IS-7, New Swedes, Maus and Type 5 buffs, new premiums like Chrysler

 

its also in console so they know how it plays and can mod it as required

 

It is a problem. Even though some of the tanks you have mentioned are idiotically balanced it doesn't mean we must get more. This game needs a more level-headed approach going forward.

 

EDIT: I am actually not so sure about the hull armour, so I may have to retract what I said. Further reading and no clear-cut stats regarding the armour were actually given and a rumoured ultrasound of one puts the hull at 288-ish effective. It seems highly doable then.



JuliusCheddar #17 Posted 13 June 2017 - 07:30 AM

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It chieftain is not going to come at least give 215b a HD model ffs

thestaggy #18 Posted 13 June 2017 - 07:32 AM

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View Posttrispect, on 13 June 2017 - 07:25 AM, said:

 

It doesn't have invulnerable turret. lol Cupola is 60mm and above the gun is fairly large area around 240mm effective. Check tanks.gg. 

 

it is a hulldown tank. Using tanks.gg, use maximum gun depression and look at it from a hulldown perspective.

 

Spoiler

 

Good luck hitting those weakspots when it has 1.44 sec aim time and 270 mm pen. It will snapshot the crapout of you over a ridge line or from behind rubble. Now let us add crew and equipment. With a BIA crew, vert stabs and vents, it has a 6.74 sec reload, 1.38 aim time, 0.29 dispersion and 3.5k DPM. This thing would absolutely tear you apart if it got itself in to a good position.

 

It is doable, but judging by the stats on tanks.gg, it would probably need some nerfing in the gun handling department.

 

I believe the entire British tech tree needs help and after suffering through the Black Prince I would welcome an insanely powerful tank, but I am also concerned about game balance because it has been going to hell recently.


Edited by thestaggy, 13 June 2017 - 07:39 AM.


IncandescentGerbil #19 Posted 13 June 2017 - 09:17 AM

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The chieftain will be here when the anglophobes at WG can find a way to "balance" it in such a way that it isn't the best tank in the game.

HaZardeur #20 Posted 13 June 2017 - 09:24 AM

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It will come next weekend as Black Ultimate Edition as tier VIII premium for 199€





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