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gorshkoff42 #1 Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:53 PM

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I find it would be really usfeful to draw a list of tanks that became horrible to play following to the actual changes of the game.

I will begin the list with THE most steiking example coming up to mind : FCM 36 pak 40.

With around 12 km/h this tank just can't arrive to the battle, u less ennemies are lucily coming staight to you. In hilly maps this tanks is purely useless.

I'm not even saying anything about the very narrow angle of shooting. But the horrid speed makes this, once overpowered tank ( when the map meta was "corridor" lines) purely unplayable.

 

Aside from this the entire french td line is broken ( horrible to play), and I remember I saw a WG statement aknowledging it. When will it be fixed ?

 

The last obvious case of desperate need for buff is KV5. I imagine it was discusses, but with the arrival of Defender ,skorpion, MLe Liberteand Chryaler, the old Kv5 became useless, in spite of gold spam.

 

Pleaae feel free to discuss and complete the list.



Szatanshow #2 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:01 PM

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You know there are lots of old lower tier premiums that are in a bad shape today like Pz IV Hydrostat for example

leggasiini #3 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:12 PM

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- Object 268. Likely getting buff next patch, though.

- KV-5. See above.

- T-54 Mod 1. Again, see above, though it is not 100% confirmed but very likely.

- Churchill GC for obvious reasons.

- Tier 4, and tier 6-10 French TD line. Fortunately, they have buffs to them in their plans.

- Any tier 4 non-premium heavy, especially Type 95

- FV4005

- Conway

- Tiger P

- AMX M4 45

- Tiger II

- British tier 5-8 HTs

- All of the British AT tanks (expect AT 2) could use some love, especially tier 6-7

- Ikv 65 II

- Ikv 90 B

- TOG II, speed buff to 20, no reason not to buff as everything else with less than 20kph top speed has got their speed buffed

- AMX 40, give it limited MM like tier 4 heavies

- some lower tier premiums are just useless like M4 "Improved"


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Eaglax #4 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:19 PM

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Type 59 :hiding:

Jigabachi #5 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:21 PM

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They should stop buffing tanks. They should actually nerf more. The overall gamebalance is so much screwed with WAY too much damage flying around in general, if they just buff and buff it will just get worse...

happyal #6 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:25 PM

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Cannes76 #7 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:38 PM

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FCM 36 Pak 40 need a buff?? Are you totally insane!! :ohmy: Its the most OP tier 3 TD in the game. It outclasses almost all tanks of its tier.

Conway is also fine.

 

Foch 155 is awful and need some of its gunhandling and maneuvrability back.



Nishi_Kinuyo #8 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:42 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 12 June 2017 - 08:12 PM, said:

- Any tier 4 non-premium heavy, especially Type 95

- some lower tier premiums are just useless like M4 "Improved"

Type 95 would be helped massively if it had the 47mm Type 1 or the Experimental 57mm...

As it is, the Type 91 is a vastly superior tank.

 

Also, Turán III Prototípus could use a few more shells; 32 is just not enough.

Panzer III Ausf. K could use a massive buff in gun handling; as it is, the Panzer IV Ausf. D is a better tank a tier lower.

 

Hm... I suppose that the Chi-Ri could use a slight damage buff, from 130 to 135 or something like that.

Maybe a penetration buff as well thanks to all those recent tier 8 premiums; but on the other hand, most tier 7 MTs struggle at that.

And reducing the vehicle MM weight down to MT levels instead of the HT value it currently has.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 12 June 2017 - 09:44 PM.


gpalsson #9 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:43 PM

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Maus and defender, type 5 and probably also is3. 

ZlatanArKung #10 Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:50 PM

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All T8 mediums, maybe except Obj.416

All British T5+ tanks except Conqueror and Cromwell.


Edited by ZlatanArKung, 12 June 2017 - 09:52 PM.


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Chrysler defo needs a buff. And Pz K. But don't take away my Hydro underdog.

leggasiini #12 Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:00 PM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 12 June 2017 - 10:42 PM, said:

Type 95 would be helped massively if it had the 47mm Type 1 or the Experimental 57mm...

As it is, the Type 91 is a vastly superior tank.

 

And reducing the vehicle MM weight down to MT levels instead of the HT value it currently has.

 

- Or rather, just downtier both of them. They are both overtiered. Type 91 can be okay with the top gun it has but it was never proposed to have one. Type 91 was designed in like early 30s and that 47 mm gun was given to Chi-Has in like...early 40s? Thats adding gun designed 10 years after a tank which is silly. Though logic not being a thing is nothing new.

 

And even with 57 mm Shin it would be effectively Ke-Ho with Maus mobility, no camo (...which is one of the strenghts of Ke-Ho) but pref mm. However, by my experience tier 4s doesnt meet tier 6s that often, while tier 5 battles are very common so Type 95's pref mm advantage is not even as significant, so it would still suck.

 

- The entire MM weight thing is AFAIK completely gone after 9.18. Mediums get matched up with heavies, which is stupid but thats how it is.


Edited by leggasiini, 12 June 2017 - 10:03 PM.


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IS7 - gun and DPM

268 - i have little simpathy for TDs but this tank is baaaad

Leo1 - paper, bad gun handling, pretty much useless

Foch 155 - will get reworked

STB1 - some gun handling

Amx 30 - some actual strength, dpm maybe

E50M - some little dpm, like 0.3s off the reload

Is4 - some gun handling

121 - 5 degrees gun depression

All lights need a DPM buff, if not, a penetration buff

Fv4005 and FV183 need a rework on thise stupid guns before a buff (mainly 4005) can be discussed.

 

Tanks that need a nerf:

Maus - dpm nerf, some kind of armor nerf

907 - pre-buff armor, ammorack durability buff can stay

Type 5 - GET.RID.OF.THE.FUC*ING.DERP

 

TA DAAAAAA , tier 10 is balanced

 

 

P.S: arties can burn in hell

 



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If we're talking speed then the Matilda BP really needs some help. You can spend the whole battle chasing the action, or play as a TD but then once spotted everyone will shoot you as they know you can't hide quickly.

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AMX 40 - needs at least 50 more horsepower

Renault UE 57 - needs HD model



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The Brits... er, like all of them.

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Mav75 #18 Posted 13 June 2017 - 12:00 PM

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M5 Stuart: the 37mm autoloader is pretty pointless.

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View Postgorshkoff42, on 12 June 2017 - 08:53 PM, said:

I find it would be really usfeful to draw a list of tanks that became horrible to play following to the actual changes of the game.

I will begin the list with THE most steiking example coming up to mind : FCM 36 pak 40.

With around 12 km/h this tank just can't arrive to the battle, u less ennemies are lucily coming staight to you. In hilly maps this tanks is purely useless.

I'm not even saying anything about the very narrow angle of shooting. But the horrid speed makes this, once overpowered tank ( when the map meta was "corridor" lines) purely unplayable.

 

Aside from this the entire french td line is broken ( horrible to play), and I remember I saw a WG statement aknowledging it. When will it be fixed ?

 

The last obvious case of desperate need for buff is KV5. I imagine it was discusses, but with the arrival of Defender ,skorpion, MLe Liberteand Chryaler, the old Kv5 became useless, in spite of gold spam.

 

Pleaae feel free to discuss and complete the list.

 

1800+ base dpm, 98 pen, 110 alpha 0,35 dispersion and 400 meter viewrange. Yeah, totally useless on tier 3...

 

It kills same tier tanks in two or three shots, 4-7 seconds and it can outcamo and outspot all other tanks it meets due to that sille viewrange.



spuriousmonkey #20 Posted 13 June 2017 - 12:29 PM

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Type 59 and t-34-3.




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