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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 13 June 2017 - 03:02 PM

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The WZ-132 has poor base viewrange.

Is that the reason why its players choose to not spot but play it as a sniper medium instead?

 

I had the situation once some days ago and twice today: all the team's lights were WZ-132. Nobody spot.

The opposing team had bulldogs, or AMX 13 90...

 

I couldn't care less about WZ-132 players, but I care about our team having a couple of spotters, or at least as much as the enemy.

Having none is very debilitating.

 

Lights keep their camo while on the move, this is because they have a role in battle.

If WZ-132 tanks are better used as snipers, they should be reclassified as mediums, so that the team can get some spotters instead of non-spotters.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 13 June 2017 - 04:15 PM.


Ceeb #2 Posted 13 June 2017 - 03:03 PM

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Pretty sure my 132 is maxed view range.... 

 

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Dr_ownape #3 Posted 13 June 2017 - 03:13 PM

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So its got 20m less and?

 

It has the second best camo value of all the tier 8 lights which negates the missing 10m i would suggest


Edited by Drownape, 13 June 2017 - 03:14 PM.


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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 13 June 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

The WZ-132 has poor base viewrange.

 

say whaaaaaat???
 



Raffy5 #5 Posted 13 June 2017 - 03:25 PM

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WZ 132 - 380 m

B-C 12t - 380 m

HWK 12 - 410 m

M41 90 mm /GF - 400 m

LTTB - 380 m

M41 Buldog - 400 m

 

Camo rate:

WZ 132 - 16.7

B-C 12t - 18.35

HWK 12 - 16.64

M41 mm GF - 15.9

LTTB - 15.39

M41 Buldog - 14.25

 


Edited by Raffy5, 13 June 2017 - 03:30 PM.


Search_Warrant #6 Posted 13 June 2017 - 03:29 PM

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Dropman12 #7 Posted 13 June 2017 - 03:31 PM

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Well as 132 owner I can say its not by base range or something like that. its much more simplier - beside the generall consenzus that lights are unplayable, WZ 132 is actually better than most T8 meds. Mine hase better DPM than Pilot, better mobility, better at scouting, hell even better alpha...so unless team needs spoting, I'm playing it like medium. It makes sence in world of corridor-like maps.

That being said its ofcourse stupid to not scout when team needs it.



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WZ-132 has the same base viewrange as 13 90 while being one tier higher. Also viewrange alone is not an indicator. Viewrange/camo ratio is to consider. For example, a modestly outfitted WZ-132 1v1 is going to outspot a full viewrange stationary M48A1.

It's just players that are bad.



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WZ-132 is a good LT.

 

Playstyle depend on MM and map. When my team needs spot, I do that but not yolo to the unknown.



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View Postalienslive, on 13 June 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

WZ-132 is a good LT.

 

Playstyle depend on MM and map. When my team needs spot, I do that but not yolo to the unknown.

 

Yes - and making sure there are actually people having your back helps a lot - also, I noticed a lack of meds going for spotting runs or getting into spotting positions except for batchats. even with beter base viewrange than lights.

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 13 June 2017 - 02:02 PM, said:

The WZ-132 has poor base viewrange.

Is that the reason why its players choose to not spot but play it as a sniper medium instead?

 

It doesn't have the accuracy to be a sniper medium (0.38 base) but plays well as a light/medium hybrid. I've been trying to adapt to that from playing it as a more passive scout (how I played French lights pre-9.18) and I've enjoyed it much more.

 

View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 13 June 2017 - 02:02 PM, said:

I couldn't care less about WZ-132 players, but I care about our team having a couple of spotters, or at least as much as the enemy.

Having none is very debilitating.

 

That's about the players on your team, not the tank. I've seen a lot of players in WZ lights playing them as mediums and IMO that's neglecting one of the strengths in favour of scoring damage. There are other, better, options if you want to play a medium tank.



HassenderZerhacker #12 Posted 13 June 2017 - 04:10 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 13 June 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

 

That's about the players on your team, not the tank. I've seen a lot of players in WZ lights playing them as mediums and IMO that's neglecting one of the strengths in favour of scoring damage. There are other, better, options if you want to play a medium tank.

 

I just got out right now from a battle where we were leading by 3 tanks but the enemy capped and our last remaining fast tank, a WZ-132A, didn't move to decap, although he would have had time to do so.

WN8 above 2000 again (both players mentioned in my first post had WN8 above 2000). instead of decapping, he preferred to land a couple more shots for damage on an unimportant enemy.

we lost. you may be right that this is something about WZ-132 players.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 13 June 2017 - 04:40 PM.


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Pff that whine about lights these days...Almost exclusively played the WZ-132-A last 2 weeks to grind for the ToTT but the amount of people that "tells/asks/command" you to go spot somewhere is ridiculous. Although most of the times I try to get an aggressive early spot I am not a suicidal scout and because reasons, you sometimes get outspotted by the enemy light. Maybe I'll try to do that run/spot a second time but if I get outspotted again I abandon that side/spot and reposition to the other flank or snipe a bit...and then wait patiently to the end-game where light camo on the move can be very usefull  but it all comes down to map, tanks and team positions.

 

But is always nice after the battle to get told by a 47% winrate how I should play my light.....but when I told him I was not impressed by his 500 average assist damage and 1.84% survival rate after almost 800 battles on his 1390 and he probably is the typical "I-spot-and-die-in-the-1st-minute-suicide-scout", he got a bit upset....


 



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View PostOreH75, on 13 June 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Pff that whine about lights these days...Almost exclusively played the WZ-132-A last 2 weeks to grind for the ToTT but the amount of people that "tells/asks/command" you to go spot somewhere is ridiculous. Although most of the times I try to get an aggressive early spot I am not a suicidal scout and because reasons, you sometimes get outspotted by the enemy light. Maybe I'll try to do that run/spot a second time but if I get outspotted again I abandon that side/spot and reposition to the other flank or snipe a bit...and then wait patiently to the end-game where light camo on the move can be very usefull  but it all comes down to map, tanks and team positions.

 

But is always nice after the battle to get told by a 47% winrate how I should play my light.....but when I told him I was not impressed by his 500 average assist damage and 1.84% survival rate after almost 800 battles on his 1390 and he probably is the typical "I-spot-and-die-in-the-1st-minute-suicide-scout", he got a bit upset....

 

well, any way you put it, staying behind the heavies is not helpful.

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 13 June 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

The WZ-132 has poor base viewrange.

Is that the reason why its players choose to not spot but play it as a sniper medium instead?

Bad LTing is always a case of PEBKAC.

 



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View PostOreH75, on 13 June 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Pff that whine about lights these days...Almost exclusively played the WZ-132-A last 2 weeks to grind for the ToTT but the amount of people that "tells/asks/command" you to go spot somewhere is ridiculous. Although most of the times I try to get an aggressive early spot I am not a suicidal scout and because reasons, you sometimes get outspotted by the enemy light. Maybe I'll try to do that run/spot a second time but if I get outspotted again I abandon that side/spot and reposition to the other flank or snipe a bit...and then wait patiently to the end-game where light camo on the move can be very usefull  but it all comes down to map, tanks and team positions.

 

But is always nice after the battle to get told by a 47% winrate how I should play my light.....but when I told him I was not impressed by his 500 average assist damage and 1.84% survival rate after almost 800 battles on his 1390 and he probably is the typical "I-spot-and-die-in-the-1st-minute-suicide-scout", he got a bit upset....


 

You command your tank, hence no need to worry about team members.



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Seen so many heavies pretending to be TD's or barnyard animals near the farm in our cap lately i don't give a monkeys. My T49 is shotgun arty, my type 62 is a medium.

 

Sure, i spot. But only if it's worth it. Helpless basecamping cowards deserve to blow up blind with 0 damage.


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View PostStrappster, on 13 June 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

 

It doesn't have the accuracy to be a sniper medium (0.38 base) but plays well as a light/medium hybrid. I've been trying to adapt to that from playing it as a more passive scout (how I played French lights pre-9.18) and I've enjoyed it much more.

 

 

That's about the players on your team, not the tank. I've seen a lot of players in WZ lights playing them as mediums and IMO that's neglecting one of the strengths in favour of scoring damage. There are other, better, options if you want to play a medium tank.

 

At T8 there probably isn't.

Maybe Patriot.



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 13 June 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

 

well, any way you put it, staying behind the heavies is not helpful.

 

Here...Took me 197 games in that tank..got this map like 10 times but always on the other side where the bush is too small....

 

 



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View PostUlicum, on 13 June 2017 - 02:13 PM, said:

View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 13 June 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

The WZ-132 has poor base viewrange.

 

say whaaaaaat???
 

 

Y'know, to be fair, my Chaffee had that view range pre 9.18. I know it's the past but.. just saying.






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