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rado84 #1 Posted 13 June 2017 - 07:17 PM

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I'm getting closer and closer to the day I'm gonna send this British pile of junk called FV4202 to the trash can! 226 penetration constantly ricochets from a lot thinner armors and with 470 view range I can't see a T-44 2 squares away from me on an open map without any bushes between me and him. On top of that he keeps shooting at me and doesn't get spotted while if I fire just once, even the enemies in another battle know where I am. Not to mention how in 99% of the time I play against tiers 9 and 10 which I can't penetrate.

The story was the same with Panter 8,8cm and seeing how a tier 8 premium tank has the penetration of a tier 7 heavy tank, it's simply pointless to put money in a premium tank. With a KV-2 it's enough to kill 2 tanks and whether we win or lose, I get minimum of 25k silver profit, while with that retarded British crap my profit is rarely above 30k!



K_A #2 Posted 13 June 2017 - 07:28 PM

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Sounds to me like someone needs to l2p :bush:

magkiln #3 Posted 13 June 2017 - 07:41 PM

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View Postrado84, on 13 June 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

I'm getting closer and closer to the day I'm gonna send this British pile of junk called FV4202 to the trash can! 226 penetration constantly ricochets from a lot thinner armors and with 470 view range I can't see a T-44 2 squares away from me on an open map without any bushes between me and him. On top of that he keeps shooting at me and doesn't get spotted while if I fire just once, even the enemies in another battle know where I am. Not to mention how in 99% of the time I play against tiers 9 and 10 which I can't penetrate.

The story was the same with Panter 8,8cm and seeing how a tier 8 premium tank has the penetration of a tier 7 heavy tank, it's simply pointless to put money in a premium tank. With a KV-2 it's enough to kill 2 tanks and whether we win or lose, I get minimum of 25k silver profit, while with that retarded British crap my profit is rarely above 30k!

 

So why are you sitting in the open in an FV4202? It's a ridgeline sniper. Apparently, the other player had better viewrange. I suggest you invest in binocular/coated optics and get recon and situational awareness on your crew. 

As for profit, it has NOTHING to do with the nation and everything with the tier. At tier 6 you're supposed to run a profit, at tier 8 you're supposed to break even/lose credits. This is a deliberate game mechanic that forces players to return to lower tiers instead of playing their top tier tanks exclusively.



rado84 #4 Posted 15 June 2017 - 01:50 AM

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View PostK_A, on 13 June 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

Sounds to me like someone needs to l2p :bush:

 

I know how to play! I don't have this problem with any non-premium medium or other class tank! Only with the premiums. Playing T28 Prototype as a heavy tank - no problems, almost always surviving with 2k damage and lots of blocked damage; playing VK 30.01 P - 4-5 kills and surviving most of the time; KV-2 - the same; IS-3 - the same; the ultra slow O-I - still not a problem. Only premiums are pathetic useless crap.

Warzey #5 Posted 15 June 2017 - 03:12 AM

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While FV4202 is not the best premium tank out there, it most certainly is not as bad as you make it out to be. You just horribly suck at playing it, hell you have same average damage on FV4202 and KV-2. When it comes to penetration you should know that there are a lot of things to consider, did you hit auto bounce angle, did your shell hit where you aimed it, did you get a bad penetration roll, etc. A 226 penetration is more than enough to deal with vast majority of T9 tanks. Sure, you'll see a lot more T9 and T10 battles with new MM, but even in a worst case scenario half of the enemy team is still T8, so you can't complain too much about it. The T 34-2 probably did not happen the way you described it, you probably missed something important because you were pissed, like a dead commander for example. 

 

I suggest that you download and watch some good FV4202 battles and learn about general play style of the tank and some good spots. 



Balc0ra #6 Posted 15 June 2017 - 03:24 AM

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View Postrado84, on 13 June 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

I'm getting closer and closer to the day I'm gonna send this British pile of junk called FV4202 to the trash can! 226 penetration constantly ricochets from a lot thinner armors

 

FV4202 is no gem, or good. But not bad either. It has the 2nd highest pen of any tier 8 medium. Only beaten by the the Lorr 40t. Pen is the only good thing about the gun, as it has enough pen to get the job done in a support role vs most targets. ROF is the bad part about it.. And if you "ricochet" off thinner armor, then you most likely hit it at a 70 degree angle or higher. 

 

View Postrado84, on 13 June 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

 and with 470 view range I can't see a T-44 2 squares away from me on an open map without any bushes between me and him. On top of that he keeps shooting at me and doesn't get spotted while if I fire just once, even the enemies in

 

I highly doubt that. I suspect he was either further behind then you suspected after his last spot. Or you commander was dead, or your view finder was red... that is the case in 99% of the times when someone whines about that.

 

View Postrado84, on 15 June 2017 - 01:50 AM, said:

 

I know how to play! I don't have this problem with any non-premium medium or other class tank! Only with the premiums. Playing T28 Prototype as a heavy tank - no problems, almost always surviving with 2k damage and lots of blocked damage; playing VK 30.01 P - 4-5 kills and surviving most of the time; KV-2 - the same; IS-3 - the same; the ultra slow O-I - still not a problem. Only premiums are pathetic useless crap.

 

Even my Chi-Ri does that.. Or the AC 1 that most consider a worse premium then the FV... If you play it right.

 

 

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 15 June 2017 - 03:25 AM.


Dundato #7 Posted 15 June 2017 - 04:14 AM

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A bumped that tank ages ago. Was nice to begin with.

K_A #8 Posted 15 June 2017 - 02:55 PM

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View Postrado84, on 15 June 2017 - 12:50 AM, said:

 

Playing T28 Prototype as a heavy tank - no problems, almost always surviving with 2k damage and lots of blocked damage

865, not 2k but I see how those two are so close that you might get confused.. :rolleyes:

 

 

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playing VK 30.01 P - 4-5 kills and surviving most of the time

 1.18 kills per battle..

 

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KV-2 - the same

 0.99.. :harp:

 

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IS-3 - the same

 0.62, this is just going down as we go up the tiers.. :hiding:

 

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the ultra slow O-I - still not a problem

 Being a stupidly OP tank when facing anything that's not tier 8 that's not really saying much.

 

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Only premiums are pathetic useless crap.

 Maybe, have you considered the possibility, that the reason you suck in FV4202 is because you essentially bought your way to a tier 8 medium with literally zero experience at high tiers, other than camping at the redline with your German TDs? Seriously, you have premiums that require playstyles you have zero experience and knowledge about. FV4202 is a ridgeline sniper, and the number of ridgeline snipers you've ever played, including the FV4202, is exactly one.:facepalm:



Enforcer1975 #9 Posted 15 June 2017 - 04:02 PM

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View PostK_A, on 15 June 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

865, not 2k but I see how those two are so close that you might get confused.. :rolleyes:

 

 

 1.18 kills per battle..

 

 0.99.. :harp:

 

 0.62, this is just going down as we go up the tiers.. :hiding:

 

 Being a stupidly OP tank when facing anything that's not tier 8 that's not really saying much.

I had a look too but you did the work for me so ty for that. 

OP seems to be confusing "knowing how to play" with "knowing how to play to win" otherwise he would be at least at 51% wr by now at his battlecount. 

He probably still doesn't understand how camo mechanics works either. Time to l2p OP? 


Edited by Enforcer1975, 15 June 2017 - 04:03 PM.


Isharial #10 Posted 15 June 2017 - 04:20 PM

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your FV4202 has one of the best penetration values of all T8 meds..

out of all the T8 meds you can buy in the game's tech tree, you have the best pen along with the cent 1, which shares the same gun

and I believe only the Lorr 40t has more?


 

if you cant pen those tanks you mention OP, stay away from the rest of them or as others have said, it might be time to learn how to play your specific tanks a little more?

 






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