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Nishi_Kinuyo #1 Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:04 PM

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For that O-I Experimental nerf you promised us last year.

 

You promised us that you'd reduce its speed.

You promised us that you'd increase frontal armour.

You promised us that you'd remove the 10cm cannon.

 

But clearly, you're too busy buffing soviet tanks instead.


Edited by Nishi_Kinuyo, 14 June 2017 - 06:07 PM.


Aikl #2 Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:09 PM

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First time I've actually bothered to look at the win rate curve for the Experimental. Looks like it's overall overperforming by 3-4%, which is overpowered, but not exactly better than the T67.

 

Funny thing is, there is apparently not a lot of sealclubbing going on in that thing, even if it is the dirtiest tank I know. :)



Balc0ra #3 Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:31 PM

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Besides the "padding" stats mentioned above. It's still being passed by even the Churchill III on overall WR on EU. And it's not the most popular tier 5 HT anymore. So I suspect since it's not doing statistically better then most tier 5's. Even the T67. I guess they are in no rush to deal with it. Or call it a priority. Not with all the other tanks under preforming due to other tanks as is.

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 14 June 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

But clearly, you're too busy buffing soviet tanks instead.

 

I surely hope so. Since the Matilda VI can't pen the O-I's rear plate, and the IS-6 can't deal with it's high tier brothers. I won't mind if they do that first tbh. As most need it, even more so after they tossed the VK 100.01 in there vs it.

leggasiini #5 Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:39 PM

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Meh, Murazor doesnt seem to care about anything lower than tier 7

Edited by leggasiini, 14 June 2017 - 06:39 PM.


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View Postleggasiini, on 14 June 2017 - 06:39 PM, said:

Meh, Murazor doesnt seem to care about anything lower than tier 7

 

He's busy screwing up the high tiers...

 

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 14 June 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

Besides the "padding" stats mentioned above. It's still being passed by even the Churchill III on overall WR on EU. And it's not the most popular tier 5 HT anymore. So I suspect since it's not doing statistically better then most tier 5's. Even the T67. I guess they are in no rush to deal with it. Or call it a priority. Not with all the other tanks under preforming due to other tanks as is.

Statistically it simply is overpowered. Other than that 300 alpha is anything but healthy at this tier, combine that with a rather mobile, turreted platform und very good dpm  and this you get a tank that shouldn't exist at this tier.

 

 



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 14 June 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

For that O-I Experimental nerf you promised us last year.

 

You promised us that you'd reduce its speed.

You promised us that you'd increase frontal armour.

You promised us that you'd remove the 10cm cannon.

 

But clearly, you're too busy buffing soviet tanks instead.

 

OP has 289 battles in O-I - more than any other HT and 204 in O-I Experimental.

Nishi_Kinuyo #8 Posted 14 June 2017 - 07:17 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 14 June 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 14 June 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

But clearly, you're too busy buffing soviet tanks instead.

 

I surely hope so. Since the Matilda VI can't pen the O-I's rear plate, and the IS-6 can't deal with it's high tier brothers. I won't mind if they do that first tbh. As most need it, even more so after they tossed the VK 100.01 in there vs it.

Who cares about an O-I's rear when the entire side of that thing is a weakspot.

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 OP has 289 battles in O-I - more than any other HT and 204 in O-I Experimental.

 Ergo, I should know what I'm talking about, rait? :girl:

And most of the time I've played it recently as with the 7.5cm to see how good it is in case that 10cm gets removed.

You forgot to mention the amount of battles I got in the Japanese mediums; 300+ for the each of the tier 5, 6 and 7 tanks.

 

Also, I am certain I could find myriad accounts with thousands of matches in the IS-3. Point being?



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Both OI and OI exp recieved massive nerfs in patch 9.15.

 

https://worldoftanks...supertest-9-15/

 

total list of the nerfs:

 

OI EXP

O-I Experimental:

  • O-I Experimental suspension:
    • Traverse speed of the O-I Experimental suspension changed from 22 to 20
    • Dispersion on hull traverse with the O-I Experimental suspension increased by 9%
  • O-I Experimental Kai suspension:
    • Traverse speed changed from 24 to 22
    • Dispersion on hull traverse increased by 10%
  • 10cm Cannon Type 14:
    • Aiming time changed from 2.6 sec. to 2.8 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Reload time changed from 9.7 sec. to 10 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
  • 12cm Short Barrel Gun:
    • Aiming time changed from 2.6 sec. to 2.9 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Reload time changed from 9.6 sec. to 10.5 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Dispersion on turret traverse increased by 29%
  • 7.5cm Tank Gun Type 3:
    • Reload time changed from 3.5 sec. to 3.6 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Dispersion on turret traverse increased by 17%
  • 7.5cm Tank Gun Type 5
    • Aiming time changed from 2.2 sec. to 2.3 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Reload time changed from 3.6 sec. to 3.7 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Dispersion on turret traverse increased by 20%
  • Traverse speed of the O-I Experimental turret changed from 26 deg/s to 22 deg/s

 

O-I

 

O-I:

  • Durability decreased from 970 HP to 950 HP
  • Traverse speed of the O-I suspension changed from 20 to 16
  • Traverse speed of the O-I turret changed from 20 deg/s to 18 deg/s
  • O-I Kai suspension:
    • Traverse speed changed from 22 to 18
    • Dispersion on the mov increased by 11%
    • Dispersion on hull traverse increased by 22%
  • 10cm Cannon Type 92:
    • Reload time changed 11.1 sec. to 12 sec. for the O-I turret
    • Dispersion on turret traverse increased by 14%
  • 15cm Howitzer Type 96:
  • Reload time changed from 25 sec. to 26 sec. for the O-I turret
  • Dispersion on turret traverse increased by 12%


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View PostRamRaid90, on 14 June 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Both OI and OI exp recieved massive nerfs in patch 9.15.

Does the OI Exp still have retarded alpha and dpm?

Does the OI still have way too much armor and a broken derp gun?

 

-->Those nerfs were not enough



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View Postleggasiini, on 14 June 2017 - 06:39 PM, said:

Meh, Murazor doesnt seem to care about anything lower than tier 7

Correction.

Murazor only cares about T8 premium tanks and T10 tanks that can be classified as heavies/super heavies and wants to make these tanks the best by a widecent margin in WoT. 



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View PostRamRaid90, on 14 June 2017 - 09:07 PM, said:

Both OI and OI exp recieved massive nerfs in patch 9.15.

 

https://worldoftanks...supertest-9-15/

 

total list of the nerfs:

 

OI EXP

O-I Experimental:

  • O-I Experimental suspension:
    • Traverse speed of the O-I Experimental suspension changed from 22 to 20
    • Dispersion on hull traverse with the O-I Experimental suspension increased by 9%
  • O-I Experimental Kai suspension:
    • Traverse speed changed from 24 to 22
    • Dispersion on hull traverse increased by 10%
  • 10cm Cannon Type 14:
    • Aiming time changed from 2.6 sec. to 2.8 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Reload time changed from 9.7 sec. to 10 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
  • 12cm Short Barrel Gun:
    • Aiming time changed from 2.6 sec. to 2.9 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Reload time changed from 9.6 sec. to 10.5 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Dispersion on turret traverse increased by 29%
  • 7.5cm Tank Gun Type 3:
    • Reload time changed from 3.5 sec. to 3.6 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Dispersion on turret traverse increased by 17%
  • 7.5cm Tank Gun Type 5
    • Aiming time changed from 2.2 sec. to 2.3 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Reload time changed from 3.6 sec. to 3.7 sec. for the O-I Experimental turret
    • Dispersion on turret traverse increased by 20%
  • Traverse speed of the O-I Experimental turret changed from 26 deg/s to 22 deg/s

 

O-I

 

O-I:

  • Durability decreased from 970 HP to 950 HP
  • Traverse speed of the O-I suspension changed from 20 to 16
  • Traverse speed of the O-I turret changed from 20 deg/s to 18 deg/s
  • O-I Kai suspension:
    • Traverse speed changed from 22 to 18
    • Dispersion on the mov increased by 11%
    • Dispersion on hull traverse increased by 22%
  • 10cm Cannon Type 92:
    • Reload time changed 11.1 sec. to 12 sec. for the O-I turret
    • Dispersion on turret traverse increased by 14%
  • 15cm Howitzer Type 96:
  • Reload time changed from 25 sec. to 26 sec. for the O-I turret
  • Dispersion on turret traverse increased by 12%

 

O-I Exp nerf wasnt massive at all, lmao. The only thing it really did was that it wouldnt really snapshot on move as well, which was absolutely retarded, but that wasnt the main reason why it was OP as hell, just one of several reasons why. Half of the O-I Exp nerfs listed wasnt even relevant at all because no one uses 12cm or 7.5cm guns other than stock grind purposes.

 

O-I nerf was more notable but it still has that armor and derp gun, leaving it broken. The tank became noticeable less fun to play but it is almost as much pain to fight against so it didnt really change much. O-I is undertiered anyways: it should be tier 7 with more HP, bit better mobility, better gun stats and option to mount 10cm from O-Ni.


Edited by leggasiini, 14 June 2017 - 08:59 PM.


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before we nerf this, there are many other tanks that need nerfing, looking at you T67 :amazed:.. I mean, if the Churchill 3 can have a better winrate overall than this thing, then is it really in need of a nerf?

most guns can deal with an EXP, its not exactly a "heavy", its more a glorified up gunned medium tank... (which it shouldn't be but there you go)


 

there are far more pressing tanks to buff or nerf, French TD could do with a buff first no?



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Isharial

 I mean, if the Churchill 3 can have a better winrate overall than this thing, then is it really in need of a nerf?

 How does the Church 3 have a better overall winrate?

The church 3 has an overall winrate of 50.92% and recents of 49.55%, with curve of up to 1.9% higher than expected.

The O-I Exp has an overall winrate of 50.91% and recents of 51.99%, with a curve of up to 3.6% higher than expeced.

Isharial

 there are far more pressing tanks to buff or nerf, French TD could do with a buff first no?

 Regardless of that, wargaming promised it half a year ago and we're still waiting for it.

The french TD buff was announced less than a month ago, afaik.



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Church 3's winrate is also kinda lie because you gotta factor that Church 3 never meets tier 7s. It is not easy to carry and win in tier 7 battle with tier 5s, even with O-I Experimental. Church 3 doesnt have that problem.

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 14 June 2017 - 06:17 PM, said:

Who cares about an O-I's rear when the entire side of that thing is a weakspot.

 Ergo, I should know what I'm talking about, rait? :girl:

And most of the time I've played it recently as with the 7.5cm to see how good it is in case that 10cm gets removed.

You forgot to mention the amount of battles I got in the Japanese mediums; 300+ for the each of the tier 5, 6 and 7 tanks.

 

Also, I am certain I could find myriad accounts with thousands of matches in the IS-3. Point being?

 

200+ times "to see how good it is."

 

"Point being" you were a hypocrite and now you are a liar as well.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 14 June 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

For that O-I Experimental nerf you promised us last year.

 

You promised us that you'd reduce its speed.

You promised us that you'd increase frontal armour.

You promised us that you'd remove the 10cm cannon.

 

No.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 14 June 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

For that O-I Experimental nerf you promised us last year.

 

You promised us that you'd reduce its speed.

You promised us that you'd increase frontal armour.

You promised us that you'd remove the 10cm cannon.

 

But clearly, you're too busy buffing soviet tanks instead.

 

Mobility was reduced.

You consider increased frontal armour a nerf?  Or do you mean decrease? In any case, the turret armour is only 75 mm thick. So is most of the front of the hull and it's all flat. As long as you don't shoot the upper glacis you shouldn't have any trouble with it. The one thing about the OIexp that's not OP is the armour.


Edited by magkiln, 15 June 2017 - 12:44 AM.


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View Postmagkiln, on 15 June 2017 - 01:40 AM, said:

 

Mobility was reduced.

You consider increased frontal armour a nerf?  Or do you mean decrease? In any case, the turret armour is only 75 mm thick. So is most of the front of the hull and it's all flat. As long as you don't shoot the upper glacis you shouldn't have any trouble with it. The one thing about the OIexp that's not OP is the armour.

 

Increased frontal armor but removal of 10cm and nerf to mobility is rebalance, yea, but overall nerf, because 10cm is exactly what makes the tank stupidly strong. It depends on how much they planned to increase the frontal armor, though.

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Wargaming seems to be not very interested in the tiers 1 to 7. So just don't expect too much balancing :)




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