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Grand_Moff_Tano #21 Posted 15 June 2017 - 08:46 PM

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View PostTarix819, on 15 June 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

 

But you don't know that. And there are no sources anywhere of the vehicle existing other than a sketchy sentence in the WoT client written by some Russian. There is no website on the internet that details the project in any more than a single repeated sentence, and if it did exist in blueprints, we would have far more information, yet we have basically nothing.

 

We don't have much information about every vehicle, even I can't find much about it. Again if we were to get information we'd need to get permission to view the blueprint in the first place, as is the nature with some of them.

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View PostChipmunk_of_Vengeance, on 15 June 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

 

We don't have much information about every vehicle, even I can't find much about it. Again if we were to get information we'd need to get permission to view the blueprint in the first place, as is the nature with some of them.

 

Therefore, my point proven, you can't say a blueprint existed if you don't have any reliable information about it. I am going to stick with the idea that it never existed because I am sure that if it did we would be able to see it by now, just like with the AT tanks among others.

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View PostTarix819, on 15 June 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

 

Therefore, my point proven, you can't say a blueprint existed if you don't have any reliable information about it. I am going to stick with the idea that it never existed because I am sure that if it did we would be able to see it by now, just like with the AT tanks among others.

 

There is a plethora of blueprint vehicles we may never see anytime soon.

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View PostChipmunk_of_Vengeance, on 15 June 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:

 

There is a plethora of blueprint vehicles we may never see anytime soon.

 

If WG, a Russian company, has seen it, then we would have seen it as well.

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View PostTarix819, on 15 June 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

 

If WG, a Russian company, has seen it, then we would have seen it as well.

 

not necessarily.

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Very good work OP.

 

A few comments.

(a) I like Challenger as a medium - ingame it is a horrid td.

(b) I like Contentious in the td tree, interesting non-Swedish S-tank.

(c.) Scorpion 90, I thought that was more properly referred to as Scorpion 2, although both are still FV101 due to the same hull.

(d) You place Chieftain and it's prototypes off very slow heavy tanks. Given that the Chieftain was supposed to be quite fast (when it was not broken down), and ingame would be a heavium not a super heavy, what about using some of the other marks of Centurion not presently ingame, to lead to the Chieftain. Afterall later Centurions are also strong turret good gun depression vehicles and and more coherent with a Chieftain in playstyle.


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View Postarthurwellsley, on 15 June 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

Very good work OP.

 

A few comments.

(a) I like Challenger as a medium - ingame it is a horrid td.

(b) I like Contentious in the td tree, interesting non-Swedish S-tank.

(c.) Scorpion 90, I thought that was more properly referred to as Scorpion 2, although both are still FV101 due to the same hull.

(d) You place Chieftain and it's prototypes off very slow heavy tanks. Given that the Chieftain was supposed to be quite fast (when it was not broken down), and ingame would be a heavium not a super heavy, what about using some of the other marks of Centurion not presently ingame, to lead to the Chieftain. Afterall later Centurions are also strong turret good gun depression vehicles and and more coherent with a Chieftain in playstyle.

 

That's true, and it would make more sense, but I wanted the Chieftains to be part of a structured HT line, meaning you would be playing Heavy Tanks all the way up, and WoT is no stranger to odd tank choices, for example how the UC 2-pdr, Valentine AT and Alecto lead into the AT 2 and AT 8. This is just my concept of what a tree might look like, so it is completely subject to change.

 

Nonetheless, thank you for your feedback. 



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View PostChipmunk_of_Vengeance, on 15 June 2017 - 08:52 PM, said:

View PostTarix819, on 15 June 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

 

If WG, a Russian company, has seen it, then we would have seen it as well.
not necessarily.

 

I bet if they can find some german wwII tank idea that was scribbled on tp they'll release it.

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View PostPansenmann, on 15 June 2017 - 09:36 PM, said:

 

I bet if they can find some german wwII tank idea that was scribbled on tp they'll release it.

 

True.

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The FV201 A45 should be in the regular tech tree and connect the mediums and two heavy tank branches as they are all pretty much related. Well, at least in the case of the Universal Tank concept being related to the development of the Centurion and Conqueror.

 

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Black Prince either needs to be down-tiered or removed. If it is down-tiered the Churchill VII must be pulled and introduced as a premium. If the Black Prince is pulled it can make a return as a premium. This new tier 6 premium Churchill VII/Black Prince can come with the colours and insignia of the 6th Guards Tank Brigade. 


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Search_Warrant #31 Posted 16 June 2017 - 03:05 PM

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Ultimate british tech tree would be one thats worth grinding for a single tier 10 thats actually competative in todays meta. AKA currently none of them. replace whole tree with cromwell and ur fine.

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I think this is really impressive, would be nice to see it implemented. Unfortunately WG doesn't seem to express their thoughts around here very much, so I'd venture guessing all the time you invested on it has been put to waste.

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View Postthestaggy, on 16 June 2017 - 06:18 AM, said:

 

Black Prince either needs to be down-tiered or removed. If it is down-tiered the Churchill VII must be pulled and introduced as a premium. If the Black Prince is pulled it can make a return as a premium. This new tier 6 premium Churchill VII/Black Prince can come with the colours and insignia of the 6th Guards Tank Brigade. 

 

More premiums is the last thing we need at the moment.

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 16 June 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

Ultimate british tech tree would be one thats worth grinding for a single tier 10 thats actually competative in todays meta. AKA currently none of them. replace whole tree with cromwell and ur fine.

 

I can guarantee you that all of the tier Xs in this suggestion (Besides FV215 and FV4005 Stage II of course) will be very competitive at tier X if they were to be implemented the way I think they should.

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Tbh, I think the TD lines should get bit readjusted. Here is how I would do it:

 

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- Valentine AT leads to Archer, downtiered to tier 4. If Crusader 17 pdr works at tier 4, then Archer certainly would too. Both Archer and Valentine AT are based on hull of Valentine, so it makes more or less sense that Valentine AT leads to Valentine.

- Achilles, Avenger (aka current Challenger in its elite confiquration), Charioteer, Conway and 4005 all get downtiered. Avenger, Charioteer and Conway certainly fits at lower tiers better than they are now. RoF and HP nerf are more or less enough for Avenger and Conway, while Charioteer loses HP and L7. FV4005 is now tier 9. Just nerf HP of 4005 a bit as well as RoF, it is fine tier 9. FV 183 is now tier 10 after 4005. 183s themselves needs rework, but that is other topic. Achilles sounds too strong for tier 5 at first, but when you factor it has half worse depression than Wolverine, I do think it could work with lower RoF and accuracy.

 

I would probably do few other changes like changing Chuchill GC's tier to 5 or even 4 (with just stock gun), but the thing above is what I have thought they should do for current TD lines for some time already. Majority of turretted TDs (Challenger, Conway, 4005) are somewhat underperforming, while Charioteer is overtiered with gun that (as far as I can recall) it never had (though unless I am mistaken, 20pdr shared similar mount as L7 so tanks with 20pdr would also fit L7, so technically Charioteer having L7 is not wrong). The 183 is kinda is "just there" as random alternate tier 10 from FV3807 that doesnt even make any sense. IMO it makes much more sense to put it as tier 10 after FV4005, which is now tier 9. Not to mention that I dont think that having 2 tier 183s is necessary.

 

Where is Stage 1 btw :trollface: 


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View Postleggasiini, on 16 June 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

Tbh, I think the TD lines should get bit readjusted. Here is how I would do it:

 

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- Valentine AT leads to Archer, downtiered to tier 4. If Crusader 17 pdr works at tier 4, then Archer certainly would too. Both Archer and Valentine AT are based on hull of Valentine, so it makes more or less sense that Valentine AT leads to Valentine.

- Achilles, Avenger (aka current Challenger in its elite confiquration), Charioteer, Conway and 4005 all get downtiered. Avenger, Charioteer and Conway certainly fits at lower tiers better than they are now. RoF and HP nerf are more or less enough for Avenger and Conway, while Charioteer loses HP and L7. FV4005 is now tier 9. Just nerf HP of 4005 a bit as well as RoF, it is fine tier 9. FV 183 is now tier 10 after 4005. 183s themselves needs rework, but that is other topic. Achilles sounds too strong for tier 5 at first, but when you factor it has half worse depression than Wolverine, I do think it could work with lower RoF and accuracy.

 

I would probably do few other changes like changing Chuchill GC's tier to 5 or even 4 (with just stock gun), but the thing above is what I have thought they should do for current TD lines for some time already. Majority of turretted TDs (Challenger, Conway, 4005) are somewhat underperforming, while Charioteer is overtiered with gun that (as far as I can recall) it never had (though unless I am mistaken, 20pdr shared similar mount as L7 so tanks with 20pdr would also fit L7, so technically Charioteer having L7 is not wrong). The 183 is kinda is "just there" as random alternate tier 10 from FV3807 that doesnt even make any sense. IMO it makes much more sense to put it as tier 10 after FV4005, which is now tier 9. Not to mention that I dont think that having 2 tier 183s is necessary.

 

Where is Stage 1 btw :trollface: 

 

Like your ideas. Certainly would add a spin to the tree especially with the FV4005 being at tier IX which would be kinda troll if the 183mm L4 keeps the same 1750 alpha.

 

Charioteer did actually mount the L7 in real life, and no that isn't the 20-pdr gun.

 

Image result for Charioteer L7

 

As for the Stage I I think they should add it in a separate game mode like the KARL game mode. Doing 5250 damage in a single clip to each other would be too much fun. :D

 

Even so it is unlikely that WG will ever consider such ideas so we can only hope and wish unfortunately.



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Wasnt aware of Charioteer actually mounting L7, interesting. Though, to make it easier it would still fit into tier 7 without L7. One option is to make Charioteer alternate tier 8 or make it link other lines. Regardless of anything, Conway is better at tier 8 than tier 9. It is comparable to Borsig but is much larger and has less alpha, while having armor that isnt complete butter (actually, conway turret at tier 8 could bounce something ocassionaly)

 

Stage 1 was joke, obviously ;) 

 

Sadly, yea it is indeed true that this will never happen fully. There is hope for LT line and 2nd HT line, but other than that? Some of those tanks will probably come but likely as premium tanks.

 

The French tree would be expanded quite alot (1 or even 2 more full HT lines with not even factoring side-steps and alternate tanks, 2nd full TD line, 2nd full arty line, possibly a medium line linking G1 R and AMX 30 and potentially a 2nd LT line) and even Japanese tree would be expanded way more from current one (TD line, arty line, probably full LT line, 2nd minibranch of mediums from Chi-Ri).


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