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Pitbull0501 #1 Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:23 PM

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How does a tier 5 medium tank have such a bad gun and yet can still meet tier 7's. Terrible pen combined with terrible accuracy makes this tank unplayable.

 

BUFF THIS TANK! or you know at least give it a decent gun..



Effing_Drako #2 Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:24 PM

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To quote "The only thing about the M4 Improved thats improved is WG'S bank account"

sgtYester #3 Posted 16 June 2017 - 09:28 PM

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The T14 says hi

 

it is bad, and needs buffing fast has been in the game from start and dhas not gotten any buff

 



Hotpointius #4 Posted 16 June 2017 - 09:41 PM

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View PostPitbull0501, on 16 June 2017 - 06:23 PM, said:

BUFF THIS TANK! or you know at least give it a decent gun..

 

But if they buffed the gun to give it more penetration we couldn't call it the M4 Impotent any more...

 

:P

 

 

 



Radu_Korne #5 Posted 16 June 2017 - 10:28 PM

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I was the first one to use the word impotent for m4, can I have credits?

I can actually look for the original post, but I'm not that smart and cba...



Balc0ra #6 Posted 16 June 2017 - 11:36 PM

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View PostsgtYester, on 16 June 2017 - 09:28 PM, said:

The T14 says hi

 

it is bad, and needs buffing fast has been in the game from start and dhas not gotten any buff

 

 

86 Pen Matilda says hi to. Though the T14 and M4 Improved both have the same gun. The T14 don't face tier 7's.  But still has to brawl vs way thicker armor head on then he has pen at times, since he is a HT. T14 was great with that gun back in the day. Not so much now with the Jap armor around etc.

 

But... As I've played the M4 improved a few times this patch. It's not as bad as it was on day one. Why? New MM. Idk about OP, but it's mostly only seen pure tier 5 games. And then that tank actually works. Tho it would not be the worst to buff it to between 110 or 120 pen, to make it on pair with other tier 5 mediums with +2 MM. Even if you only see 3 top tiers in a +2 game. There is enough targets on tier 6 to of late that will make you press 2 as much as on tier 7 with that gun.


Edited by Balc0ra, 17 June 2017 - 04:15 AM.


Enforcer1975 #7 Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:17 AM

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I think improved was a translation mistake from rasha to english and is supposed to be M4 "Improvised".

lafeel #8 Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:25 AM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 16 June 2017 - 11:17 PM, said:

I think improved was a translation mistake from rasha to english and is supposed to be M4 "Improvised".

 

No, it is improved. What you have to remember is that it was a improvement over what is, in game, the STOCK M4.

 

Historical context is kind of important in case you didn't know.


Edited by lafeel, 17 June 2017 - 12:26 AM.


Enforcer1975 #9 Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:50 AM

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View Postlafeel, on 17 June 2017 - 12:25 AM, said:

 

No, it is improved. What you have to remember is that it was a improvement over what is, in game, the STOCK M4.

 

Historical context is kind of important in case you didn't know.

 

You obviously didn't get the sarcasm :confused:

lafeel #10 Posted 17 June 2017 - 12:52 AM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 16 June 2017 - 11:50 PM, said:

 

You obviously didn't get the sarcasm :confused:

 

In my defense 1: You see a lot of people either ignore or just being ignorant of this fact and 2: Sarcasm is one of the hardest things to portray online there is.

 

Apologies if I offended you.



HassenderZerhacker #11 Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:38 AM

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View PostPitbull0501, on 16 June 2017 - 07:23 PM, said:

How does a tier 5 medium tank have such a bad gun and yet can still meet tier 7's. Terrible pen combined with terrible accuracy makes this tank unplayable.

 

BUFF THIS TANK! or you know at least give it a decent gun..

 

why do you want it improved?

did you buy one?

why on earth ???

 



Suurpolskija #12 Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:26 AM

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To be honest it could use some ~10mm more pen. It's strange this tank hasn't got pref mm. Not that it matters much nowadays.

 

Atm it's just waiting for the next trade-in, I guess.



Radu_Korne #13 Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:30 AM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 17 June 2017 - 05:38 AM, said:

 

why do you want it improved?

did you buy one?

why on earth ???

 

 

Training crews and being a Sherminator fan? Only one I haven't bought yet is Thunderbolt or whatever... and the beta reward for obvious reasons.

Hammerhead20 #14 Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:50 AM

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I can tell the same thing about tier VII medium tank Chi-Ri.

 

Crap cannon's choise, bad penetration value, big, slow and has no armour...

 

And most of the time, this tank is matched with tier IX tanks...

 

Even Premium ammo with 186 mm penetration value is completely usless against them...

 

I don't understand how this tank at it's tier can be competitive with other tanks...


Edited by Hammerhead20, 17 June 2017 - 08:59 AM.


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OP has evidently  never played Pz IIIK

Hedgehog1963 #16 Posted 17 June 2017 - 09:12 AM

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View PostHammerhead20, on 17 June 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

I can tell the same thing about tier VII medium tank Chi-Ri.

 

Crap cannon's choise, bad penetration value, big, slow and has no armour...

 

And most of the time, this tank is matched with tier IX tanks...

 

Even Premium ammo with 186 mm penetration value is completely usless against them...

 

I don't understand how this tank at it's tier can be competitive with other tanks...

 

How much real money you pay for that?

leggasiini #17 Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:17 AM

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View PostHammerhead20, on 17 June 2017 - 09:50 AM, said:

I can tell the same thing about tier VII medium tank Chi-Ri.

 

Crap cannon's choise, bad penetration value, big, slow and has no armour...

 

And most of the time, this tank is matched with tier IX tanks...

 

Even Premium ammo with 186 mm penetration value is completely usless against them...

 

I don't understand how this tank at it's tier can be competitive with other tanks...

 

Atleast Chi-Ri has burst that allows it to do lots of damage in 2 seconds, and is stupidly accurate too.

 

M4 Improved has neither of that.



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The M4 Improved is the only Premium tank I have ever sold. No not in a fit of rage, much worse than that, it was just so damned ugly, and I kind of like 'characterful'' tanks. The performance was neither good nor bad, it was just very boring, and I kind of like 'steady' tanks. It was demotivating just having it in the garage so it went to the scrap yard.

Sams_Baneblade #19 Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:35 AM

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I only played a hanful of games and the first ones went very well.

 

OFC, half of the rack is filled with APCR and I equipped it with Optics, so in my first Tier 7 game, I did 1700 spot damage (but 300 damages). I should take it for a spin again, although I know it isn't a strong tank.

 

Ma I bring the Sentinel AC1 on the table, with its anemic gun alpha and stupidly long aim time?



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View PostHammerhead20, on 17 June 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

I can tell the same thing about tier VII medium tank Chi-Ri.

 

Crap cannon's choise, bad penetration value, big, slow and has no armour...

 

And most of the time, this tank is matched with tier IX tanks...

 

Even Premium ammo with 186 mm penetration value is completely usless against them...

 

I don't understand how this tank at it's tier can be competitive with other tanks...

 

I love this tank. Even though my crew have only 1 skill and my commander doesn't have 6th sense I've still managed a 55% W/R. When facing higher tiers itt's great at keeping vehicles tracked so others can damage them.




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