Jump to content


XVM musings.


  • Please log in to reply
54 replies to this topic

IncandescentGerbil #1 Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:42 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 35597 battles
  • 1,443
  • Member since:
    11-24-2015

​I read a lot of comments from people who want XVM banned. I think it is a major root of toxicity, and broadly agree. I don't think WG will ever move that way, though, as it seems to me that it makes them - indirectly, of course - more money. XVM and its WN8 component fuel the competitive, often fragile egos of so many players. They have Quickybaby's vanity pack (sorry, modpack) installed and see those numbers before every game. They want - need - that green / blue / purple, and are therefore more likely to pay for the premium consumables and unlimited gold ammo they need to achieve it. 

I realise this is a generalisation, and am sure many players only run XVM because they want to know which flank to go to in order to farm as much damage as possible help the team, etc.

Am I being too cynical?

 


Edited by IncandescentGerbil, 16 June 2017 - 07:43 PM.


Panda_Faust #2 Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:49 PM

    Lance-corporal

  • Player
  • 17056 battles
  • 69
  • [RDDTR] RDDTR
  • Member since:
    07-21-2012
I completely agree. Annoys me they would remove cross chat on the basis it added toxicity to the game, but not bat an eye at XVM.

Edited by Panda_Faust, 16 June 2017 - 07:50 PM.


HeidenSieker #3 Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:49 PM

    Brigadier

  • Player
  • 10046 battles
  • 4,408
  • Member since:
    03-26-2016

View PostIncandescentGerbil, on 16 June 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

Am I being too cynical?

 

No. XVM would be great if in-game stats for the enemy team were not available.

TheMightyDingles #4 Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:52 PM

    Lance-corporal

  • Player
  • 3369 battles
  • 60
  • Member since:
    09-18-2013
I use XVM and have never been toxic to anyone in game.  Just sayin.

IncandescentGerbil #5 Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:01 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 35597 battles
  • 1,443
  • Member since:
    11-24-2015

View PostTheMightyDingles, on 16 June 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

I use XVM and have never been toxic to anyone in game.  Just sayin.

 

​Yeah, not trying to offend anyone here. Lots of great players are really chilled. But you only have to read battle chat to see that a significant % of comments relate to players' WN8 scores. And it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. New players get slaughtered for being tomatoes, and from that moment on they think it is the right way to behave. Then, when they are a little more experienced, they will start picking on the new intake. It's like a more aspirational version of the English public school system. Bullying is rife in this game, and XVM is a major cause of it.

But like I said, it brings in the cash.

 

 


Edited by IncandescentGerbil, 16 June 2017 - 08:03 PM.


TheMightyDingles #6 Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:41 PM

    Lance-corporal

  • Player
  • 3369 battles
  • 60
  • Member since:
    09-18-2013
No offense taken. So you are saying experienced players pick on tomatoes?  I usually see tomatoes slagging everyone else off when they die in the first 30 seconds. The higher WN8 players are generally fairly pleasant and usually the teals and purples are very quiet and just play.

Noo_Noo #7 Posted 16 June 2017 - 09:03 PM

    Captain

  • Player
  • 21559 battles
  • 2,029
  • Member since:
    05-05-2013

View PostIncandescentGerbil, on 16 June 2017 - 08:01 PM, said:

 It's like a more aspirational version of the English public school system. Bullying is rife in this game, and XVM is a major cause of it.

 

 

Certainly part of it I agree. Switched mine off now and just play. The new MM causes me more grief than not having XVM. 

 

Regarding bullying. There are certainly a lot of angry people out there. I'm guilty as the next for moaning about MM but others take the insults to a whole other level. 

I wouldn't even say that this forum is exactly free of it. Plenty of posters who know better on here. 



IncandescentGerbil #8 Posted 16 June 2017 - 09:20 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 35597 battles
  • 1,443
  • Member since:
    11-24-2015

View PostTheMightyDingles, on 16 June 2017 - 08:41 PM, said:

No offense taken. So you are saying experienced players pick on tomatoes?  I usually see tomatoes slagging everyone else off when they die in the first 30 seconds. The higher WN8 players are generally fairly pleasant and usually the teals and purples are very quiet and just play.

 

​I think it tends to be the aspirational players mostly. The ones who aren't really that good, but have watched a thousand QB videos and dream of being unicums. They might already have spent their way to green... Although I have come across a few players with amazing stats who have been utter bastards. My typical conclusion these days is that they are miserable failures in real life.  

Edited by IncandescentGerbil, 16 June 2017 - 09:20 PM.


WindSplitter1 #9 Posted 17 June 2017 - 01:04 AM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 14302 battles
  • 1,723
  • [RYNO] RYNO
  • Member since:
    02-07-2016

View PostTheMightyDingles, on 16 June 2017 - 07:41 PM, said:

No offense taken. So you are saying experienced players pick on tomatoes?  I usually see tomatoes slagging everyone else off when they die in the first 30 seconds. The higher WN8 players are generally fairly pleasant and usually the teals and purples are very quiet and just play.

 

I don't fully agree with this although some super unicums do reply to a "Hello" quite warmly. Haven't seen the other side of the coin but some of them can be quite arrogant and annoying. That's also a given in Limes.



lafeel #10 Posted 17 June 2017 - 01:11 AM

    Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 4964 battles
  • 1,503
  • [LAFIE] LAFIE
  • Member since:
    03-13-2011

Personally I am a firm beliver that WG should remove the player names entirely from the in battle team lists.

 

Let people find out who they were playing with, and against, in the post game results. Would also, unsurprisingly, scupper XVM stats, which is a bonus in my book.



clixor #11 Posted 17 June 2017 - 08:33 AM

    Major

  • Player
  • 49617 battles
  • 2,929
  • Member since:
    08-07-2011

View Postlafeel, on 17 June 2017 - 01:11 AM, said:

Personally I am a firm beliver that WG should remove the player names entirely from the in battle team lists.

 

Let people find out who they were playing with, and against, in the post game results. Would also, unsurprisingly, scupper XVM stats, which is a bonus in my book.

 

Who cares about player names? It's not that i'm taking the effort to seriously remember any of them. And the problem isn't the names anyway, it's the stats. XVM should either be removed/disabled or only visible post-battle. 

 

I always was a firm believer that with XVM enabled i could adjust my gameplay according to my and enemies team but if you have a bad streak or whatever this will only make you tilt more.



HeidenSieker #12 Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:04 PM

    Brigadier

  • Player
  • 10046 battles
  • 4,408
  • Member since:
    03-26-2016

View Postclixor, on 17 June 2017 - 08:33 AM, said:

Who cares about player names? It's not that i'm taking the effort to seriously remember any of them. And the problem isn't the names anyway, it's the stats. XVM should either be removed/disabled or only visible post-battle.

 

I think XVM stats should be disabled and not shown for the enemy team. Logically, one would know (roughly) your own teams capabilities, and XVM mimics that. Not for the enemy team, though. Perhaps this function could be assumed by the "vanilla" client.

Edited by HeidenSieker, 17 June 2017 - 10:04 PM.


Hedgehog1963 #13 Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:13 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 50159 battles
  • 6,923
  • [DIRTY] DIRTY
  • Member since:
    04-26-2011
XVM ragers: Just people who want to go into battle knowing something that no one else knows.

Hedgehog1963 #14 Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:14 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 50159 battles
  • 6,923
  • [DIRTY] DIRTY
  • Member since:
    04-26-2011

View PostHeidenSieker, on 17 June 2017 - 09:04 PM, said:

 

I think XVM stats should be disabled and not shown for the enemy team. Logically, one would know (roughly) your own teams capabilities, and XVM mimics that. Not for the enemy team, though. Perhaps this function could be assumed by the "vanilla" client.

 

Why would I know my team but not the other?

Hedgehog1963 #15 Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:16 PM

    Lieutenant General

  • Player
  • 50159 battles
  • 6,923
  • [DIRTY] DIRTY
  • Member since:
    04-26-2011

View PostIncandescentGerbil, on 16 June 2017 - 07:01 PM, said:

 

​Yeah, not trying to offend anyone here. Lots of great players are really chilled. But you only have to read battle chat to see that a significant % of comments relate to players' WN8 scores. And it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. New players get slaughtered for being tomatoes, and from that moment on they think it is the right way to behave. Then, when they are a little more experienced, they will start picking on the new intake. It's like a more aspirational version of the English public school system. Bullying is rife in this game, and XVM is a major cause of it.

But like I said, it brings in the cash.

 

 

 

XVM isn't the cause.  It is players who are infantile that is the cause.

Shuddnobetta #16 Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:22 PM

    Sergeant

  • Player
  • 8636 battles
  • 276
  • Member since:
    11-22-2012
Fully agree with the OP

HeidenSieker #17 Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:58 PM

    Brigadier

  • Player
  • 10046 battles
  • 4,408
  • Member since:
    03-26-2016

View PostHedgehog1963, on 17 June 2017 - 10:14 PM, said:

View PostHeidenSieker, on 17 June 2017 - 09:04 PM, said:

I think XVM stats should be disabled and not shown for the enemy team. Logically, one would know (roughly) your own teams capabilities, and XVM mimics that. Not for the enemy team, though. Perhaps this function could be assumed by the "vanilla" client.

Why would I know my team but not the other?

 

It's a tank game with two sides. Your side, and the enemy side. It's based on WWII vehicles and in many cases sites of tank battles. Do you need further clues :) ?

teamkill_2014 #18 Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:02 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 15976 battles
  • 755
  • Member since:
    12-24-2014

I installed xvm again the other day having played without for weeks. Its no surprise those campers at the back in light tanks are rerollers farming wn8. Its no surprise when u have an extremely bad game its because the  whole team is red. Its no surprise a large proportion of those abusing players for 'stats' in chat are wn8 farmers or they just got killed by an 'unskilled lucky tomato'.

 

Actually, xvm isn't necessary its best just not to know and play the game rather than the stats. In the real world nobody cares how big ur virtual [edited]is anyway (im guessing probably not that big anyway from the amount of time spent playing computer games)



AvalancheZ257 #19 Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:03 PM

    Sergeant

  • Player
  • 3070 battles
  • 205
  • [3WCST] 3WCST
  • Member since:
    05-26-2017

View PostIncandescentGerbil, on 16 June 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

​I read a lot of comments from people who want XVM banned. I think it is a major root of toxicity, and broadly agree. I don't think WG will ever move that way, though, as it seems to me that it makes them - indirectly, of course - more money. XVM and its WN8 component fuel the competitive, often fragile egos of so many players. They have Quickybaby's vanity pack (sorry, modpack) installed and see those numbers before every game. They want - need - that green / blue / purple, and are therefore more likely to pay for the premium consumables and unlimited gold ammo they need to achieve it. 

I realise this is a generalisation, and am sure many players only run XVM because they want to know which flank to go to in order to farm as much damage as possible help the team, etc.

Am I being too cynical?

 

 

Isn't WG's mod workshop supposed to come soon? From what I've heard, only mods from there will be allowed once its released. If there is any time for WG to take a stand on XVM, it would be at the workshops implementation. 

teamkill_2014 #20 Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:03 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 15976 battles
  • 755
  • Member since:
    12-24-2014

View PostTheMightyDingles, on 16 June 2017 - 08:41 PM, said:

The higher WN8 players are generally fairly pleasant and usually the teals and purples are very quiet and just play.

This is nonsense, if u want 200+ replay screenshots of purples abusing team based on 'stats' i can give u that in an instant EDit: just take a look at this forum too


Edited by teamkill_2014, 17 June 2017 - 11:04 PM.





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users