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TungstenHitman #1 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:37 AM

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Hey Ho all!!!! :))

 

The Hellcat is a TD that is in my "fav" collection of tanks, I don't keep many tanks btw.. this was an odd acquirement since I just free xp'd my way from tier1-6 to get the hellcat... I had one battle in each tank to reduce the xp drain along the way with a X5 xp in place at the time so I actually had 1-2(I forget) battles in the T67... thing is though, this is clearly the way more popular and used than the tier6 Hellcat and I'm not sure why that is.. can someone explain kindly?



Desyatnik_Pansy #2 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:42 AM

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T67 Doesn't see Tier VIII, Hellcat does. Even now when the T67 Doesn't see Tier III, I think that's still probably more of a selling point for sealclubbing. I also think the T67 Is somewhat more stealthy and mobile, but don't quote me on that, having never played the tank itself I can't really say for sure.

 

Might also be because most people remember the Hellcat before it was nerfed and so don't like it nowadays, while the T67 Hasn't really had the same sort of treatment.


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TungstenHitman #3 Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:02 AM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 17 June 2017 - 11:42 PM, said:

T67 Doesn't see Tier VIII, Hellcat does. Even now when the T67 Doesn't see Tier III, I think that's still probably more of a selling point for sealclubbing. I also think the T67 Is somewhat more stealthy and mobile, but don't quote me on that, having never played the tank itself I can't really say for sure.

 

Might also be because most people remember the Hellcat before it was nerfed and so don't like it nowadays, while the T67 Hasn't really had the same sort of treatment.

 

Good point, I never experienced the Hellcat before nerf so for me it is now, how it was when I first got it.. comparing the 2 for mobility I would give it to the T67. The Hellcat has a higher top speed but I raced a T67(unintentionally) as we both crossed towards similar map locations and the T67 caught me, passed me and pulled away, the Hellcat is no slug but I have never known it to hit that 75kph top speed, not even close, it does a reliable 55kph imo on level ground.

The T67 is so cheap though I must say I am really tempted to pick it up.. the Hellcat actually has 2 top gun options, the 90mm which is really slow to fire and has the most unreliable aim time and accuracy I have ever experienced of ANY tank in the game, it can be your best friend our a horrible nightmare without any sort of gauge of indication, can land 6 in a row right on the button or hit fork all for almost the entire battle.. it has a 74mm option like the T67 though but an improved version with better accuracy and RoF.. I was often tempted to run this gun as it has WAY better DPM however with the very common mm of being bottom tier vs tier8.. the superior 160pen of the 90mm still wins me over even with it's joke dpm.. while still mediocre pen for a TD at least it has a laughably OP gold option of 250 pen lol!!..  really must remember to use it.. thing is though, as I mentioned.. because it has such a glacial, frustratingly slow reload time(and aim time).. if you see a tank that needs that uranium tipped round to pen.. it just takes way too long to switch out the AP for the APCR and the moment more often than not, is lost.. maybe I should run it with APCR only



Long_Range_Sniper #4 Posted 18 June 2017 - 01:11 AM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 17 June 2017 - 11:42 PM, said:

 I also think the T67 Is somewhat more stealthy and mobile, but don't quote me on that,

 

It is, but it's the reverse speed does for the Hellcat. At least the T67 can get out of trouble once spotted even though it's not got much HP.

 

The T67 has around 500 more DPM than the Hellcat, and with premium rounds it can out pen the Hellcat standard rounds. Even though the Hellcat can go up to 240+ pen, the reload is a pain.

 

When you add on the fact that the T67 can relocate so well which is crucial for a lower tier TD, it's the T67 all the time.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist the quote......:B

 

 


SirKnumskull #5 Posted 18 June 2017 - 03:58 AM

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T67 is not only a sealclubbers dream but also fun to play. Small, very fast, good gun. Quishy AF, slow turret traverse and only meh viewrange but everything else is at least good if not great. No reason not to try it.

JocMeister #6 Posted 18 June 2017 - 05:37 AM

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T67 is probably the most fun tank in the game.

 

But OMG I feel filthy after playing it! :trollface:



Nickthedevil #7 Posted 18 June 2017 - 06:18 AM

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Yup agreed - the T67 is the most fun you can have in this game while still keeping you underpants on. Don't worry if people call you a filthy 'stat padder', games are supposed to be about enjoying your free time so go ahead. No.1 fault in the tank is you'll often run out of ammo :)

 

There is nothing wrong really with the Hellcat either. Even most TVIIIs melt with the fab gun, but as Long Range Sniper rightly says the reverse speed gets you killed - no poking out and quickly reversing into cover. I was stuck on 2 marks for ages but then changed my play style so now when parked in bush I'm usually arse first firing over the back so as soon as you're spotted you can move away quickly. Makes a huge difference, got my third mark very quickly after this simple change.



TheDayWeDie #8 Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:27 AM

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T67 can be a beast but it can be a pain in the Edited as well.

 

The key for this tank is but only one thing: relocate! Relocate in advance. If you don't, you will die sooner than you expect with under 500 useless damage done.

 

Also, T67 performance is highly affected by the RNG since its accuracy is very low and since T67 is mainly used as a sniper. With 0.41 dispersion, you will have a lot of missed shots at distance.

 

Let's see some stats of T67: I have an average 760 damage done and it is better than 96% of the rest of the players. 760 damage means 7 hits/game, which is very low, I think. This is a clear sign that I don't use T67 as it should be used.

 

A common mistake of those who play T67 is to farm damage rather than destroy the low Hp tanks. If you manage to survive `til the end of the battle you will have the chance to take out many low HP enemies and win the game, eventually. However, many players prefer to hit full hp tanks just to do more damage even if 1 hp enemy tank can shoot just as well as a full HP enemy tank.


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JuliusCheddar #9 Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:47 AM

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Hellcat has 0.35 dispersion when moving. 

Conqueror gun carriage has 0.29

Let that sink in



Marlekin #10 Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:26 AM

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I keep my Hellcat out of nostalgia reasons, but it does meet all the latest tier 8 premiums which are totally not powercreeping or blatantly overpowered. At all. Probably best to stick to a T67 just because of that. 

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View PostTheDayWeDie, on 18 June 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

Let's see some stats of T67: I have an average 760 damage done and it is better than 96% of the rest of the players. 760 damage means 7 hits/game, which is very low, 

Oh that pretty high imo tbh i mean how many tanks exist where scrubs like you and me can do double the tanks hp pool in damage and get away with it? 



TungstenHitman #12 Posted 18 June 2017 - 10:59 AM

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So the main reasons the T67 is more popular than the HC is that it can reverse faster and also avoids tier8.. and this makes the somewhat inaccurate gun, poor view range and significantly less pen than the HC's 90mm a more acceptable trade off to live with across most battles on average?

This raises the question in regards the T67's best equipment setup then? Is it the same as my HC where it's Rammer>Bini>Net or does the T67, due to it's inferior view range and what seems to be described as constantly moving playstyle, have a different setup? If it's constantly on the move and suffers bad view range while also being paper and 1 shot territory, would it be a case of Rammer>Vino>Optics? Or something else?



TungstenHitman #13 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:12 AM

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View PostNickthedevil, on 18 June 2017 - 05:18 AM, said:

Don't worry if people call you a filthy 'stat padder', games are supposed to be about enjoying your free time so go ahead. No.1 fault in the tank is you'll often run out of ammo :)

 

Lol not at all, I downloaded this game to blow Edited up with a tank (what a crazy notion) and that's still why I play the game. If I'm better at doing that in one tank or one tier than another then why wouldn't I play that tank? It's the logical then to do.. why would anyone drop a tank they're good at for a tank they suffer horribly in and not have fun.. isn't having fun blowing up tanks what it's all about? The only reason I have several different tanks is I get bored of the same tank and playstyle so I mix it up with tanks of contrasting styles and abilities, only reason.

Running out of ammo.. well I've had plenty of practice at being frugal and making each shot count with my Hetzer which only has 20 shells.. there's been plenty of tough moments in the Hetz when I was on 8 kills in 5-7v1 situations​ and I ran out of ammo within a tank or 2 of winning.. always forgiven though since it's just a really fun tank


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HundeWurst #14 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:30 AM

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T67 is incredibly OP.

 

Thats about it. Nothing more to it.



ypr765prco #15 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:01 PM

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I like to club t67 in my wolverine with the durp.:trollface:

pallie_the_artillerist #16 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:03 PM

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F for hellcat :(

Joggaman #17 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:12 PM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 18 June 2017 - 12:30 PM, said:

T67 is incredibly OP.

 

Thats about it. Nothing more to it.

 

Yes, T67 is op but it's not so simple to play it. It's quite hard actually.  It's not like you go yolo and do damage (KV1 style). Most of the players think that being OP means they can go in the first line and shot everyone like Bruce Willis.

 



Negativvv #19 Posted 20 June 2017 - 07:12 AM

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T67 is fairly easy once you know how...

 

I still need to grind out 6th Sense on it then the fun really starts.

 

 



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Perhaps it's also because the higher US TD tiers are perceived as slow and boring but with big guns, so players stay at T5 and T6. After the hellcat had its balls chopped off I suspect guys moved their crews back down to tier 5 'cos it's more fun. It's the endgame of the US TDs. If the T67 is overnerfed I think we'd end up seeing lots of Jacksons and Wolverines on the battlefield. Methinks it's stats are polarised, tomatoes die very quickly as they try to play it as a medium, and purples do very very well, leaving the stats at 52%. 

 

There are also guys who ONLY play the T67, end up with monster crews and rule the battlefield. They skew the stats badly, same thing applied to the ELC, tho not sure if it still does.

 

S, what should the nerf be? probably rate of fire.






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