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Aim_Away_From_Face #1 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:03 AM

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Today seems to have provided weight for the argument...maybe i guess
I've been having a good run lately, changed a few parts of how i play, thought differently about battles as they unfold and generally just been a better player.
121 battles with 60%WR, 2.5k WN8 average, over 2k average damage, increases across every area. Even in battles which were looking to be a massive defeat I've been carrying hard and turning out great underdog results. Lights, meds, TD's, not much in heavies admittedly and a few SPG.

 

Until today......

Today I have been getting teams and MM's of preposterous impossibility. No one could have turned these battles around, no one, it's insane how bad the teams and MM's I've been getting today are. I'm getting good results, but it's just impossible to carry to victory with MM's and teams this bad. Attached is probably one of the worst examples. That's even with me doing constant active scouting, 90% of that damage came at the end when I was alone. 

 

So what is causing this?I'm certain that the tin-foil hat brigade would call rigged or some other such nonsense ( I mean really, when everything except movement is RNG how can anything be rigged?) but I find myself in a position where I'm almost beginning to believe it. Nothing has changed from yesterday, not my play, not my tank choices, nothing. Yesterday was 64% WR and average damage of 1800, today is 18% WR and average damage of over 1.4K. 

 

Wtf is going on? 


Edited by Aim_Away_From_Face, 04 July 2017 - 06:28 AM.


Keyhand #2 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:05 AM

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The sample size of one player is too small to confirm anything.

Raffy5 #3 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:06 AM

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Only 3 with 0 damage??

Come back when 7 team mates have 0 damage. And rest just 1 shoot of damage.


Edited by Raffy5, 18 June 2017 - 11:06 AM.


Aim_Away_From_Face #4 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:11 AM

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View PostRaffy5, on 18 June 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

Only 3 with 0 damage??

Come back when 7 team mates have 0 damage. And rest just 1 shoot of damage.

 

Had another today with 4 of 0dmg and that was tier 10.

rado84 #5 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:16 AM

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There ARE rigged battles! I keep seeing many of them! Like: 2 heavies of tier 7 against 8 heavies of tier 8. No rigged battles, sure... (sarcasm) Or equal number of heavies in both teams but every single one player in the enemy team uses gold ammo while in my team no one uses it. There ARE rigged battles - all those who payed the most are being put in the same team. And there's another example of a rigged battle: 3x IS-6 in the enemy team, one of them is 200 meters from me (T28 Prot.) and with the regular AP rounds of IS-6 with 175 penetration he penetrates the 203mm armor of the Prototype while my shots keep flying around him. That's happening with pretty much every premium tank I ever had to fight.

DracheimFlug #6 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:18 AM

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View Postrado84, on 18 June 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

There ARE rigged battles! I keep seeing many of them! Like: 2 heavies of tier 7 against 8 heavies of tier 8. No rigged battles, sure... (sarcasm) Or equal number of heavies in both teams but every single one player in the enemy team uses gold ammo while in my team no one uses it. There ARE rigged battles - all those who payed the most are being put in the same team. And there's another example of a rigged battle: 3x IS-6 in the enemy team, one of them is 200 meters from me (T28 Prot.) and with the regular AP rounds of IS-6 with 175 penetration he penetrates the 203mm armor of the Prototype while my shots keep flying around him. That's happening with pretty much every premium tank I ever had to fight.

 

And you have a replay to show us, right? :)

Jigabachi #7 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:19 AM

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Well. Crap happens. Especially on weekend, when even more "special" players are playing the game...

 

View Postrado84, on 18 June 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

There ARE rigged battles! I keep seeing many of them! Like: 2 heavies of tier 7 against 8 heavies of tier 8. No rigged battles, sure... (sarcasm)

Please learn what terms like "rigged" mean before you use them. Thank you very much.



rado84 #8 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:25 AM

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View PostJigabachi, on 18 June 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

Well. Crap happens. Especially on weekend, when even more "special" players are playing the game...

 

Please learn what terms like "rigged" mean before you use them. Thank you very much.

 

No, you need to learn what the term means! That's a battle the RNG does everything in its power for one of the two teams to win to the point where absurd things happen - only to aid those payed a truck load of money for gold ammo.

 

View PostDracheimFlug, on 18 June 2017 - 12:18 PM, said:

 

And you have a replay to show us, right? :)

 

Somewhere in the thousands of replays currently in the replay folder. But in the future when I have such a battle, I'll save it for you to see for yourself.
 

Eaglax #9 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:33 AM

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View Postrado84, on 18 June 2017 - 12:26 PM, said:

 

Somewhere in the thousands of replays currently in the replay folder. But in the future when I have such a battle, I'll save it for you to see for yourself.

 

so one out of thousands was "rigged"? OMG :ohmy:

 

 



magkiln #10 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:51 AM

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View Postrado84, on 18 June 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

 

Somewhere in the thousands of replays currently in the replay folder. But in the future when I have such a battle, I'll save it for you to see for yourself.

 

You know, there is this thing called "delete". WHy do you keep all those games?

 

As for the topic, I'm sorry but that team performance list looks fairly normal to me. It was a bad team, sure, but that's nothing new.

 

Here we go:

Three or more players with zero damage

http://wotreplays.com/site/3642350#live_oaks-magkiln-at_15

http://wotreplays.com/site/3625619#teams

One player, two teamkills in one game

http://wotreplays.com/site/3600330#murovanka-magkiln-t71

And as a special gift The opposing team in this one. Low tier medium carried his whole team. I felt dirty for taking him down. That guy deserved to win:

http://wotreplays.com/site/3653272#malinovka-magkiln-t-34-1

 

Rigged? I don't think so. Just typical WoT games.



Homer_J #11 Posted 18 June 2017 - 11:54 AM

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View PostEaglax, on 18 June 2017 - 11:33 AM, said:

 

so one out of thousands was "rigged"? OMG :ohmy:

 

 

 

One of his thousands played out exactly as you would expect one in a thousand random battles to play out.

Slyspy #12 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:00 PM

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View PostAim_Away_From_Face, on 18 June 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

Today seems to have proved it. 
I've been having a good run lately, changed a few parts of how i play, thought differently about battles as they unfold and generally just been a better player.
121 battles with 60%WR, 2.5k WN8 average, over 2k average damage, increases across every area. Even in battles which were looking to be a massive defeat I've been carrying hard and turning out great underdog results. Lights, meds, TD's, not much in heavies admittedly and a few SPG.

 

Until today......

Today I have been getting teams and MM's of preposterous impossibility. No one could have turned these battles around, no one, it's insane how bad the teams and MM's I've been getting today are. I'm getting good results, but it's just impossible to carry to victory with MM's and teams this bad. Attached is probably one of the worst examples. That's even with me doing constant active scouting, 90% of that damage came at the end when I was alone. 

 

So what is causing this?I'm certain that the tin-foil hat brigade would call rigged or some other such nonsense ( I mean really, when everything except movement is RNG how can anything be rigged?) but I find myself in a position where I'm almost beginning to believe it. Nothing has changed from yesterday, not my play, not my tank choices, nothing. Yesterday was 64% WR and average damage of 1800, today is 18% WR and average damage of over 1.4K. 

 

Wtf is going on? 

 

So how many games have you played to get that 18% WR? And what is your overall WR of the two sessions combined? 

arjun69 #13 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:01 PM

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Edited by FireflyDivision, 18 June 2017 - 11:50 PM.
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JuliusCheddar #14 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:01 PM

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Guys, I have an incontestable proof that battles are rigged: 

I think so

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View Postrado84, on 18 June 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

There ARE rigged battles! I keep seeing many of them! Like: 2 heavies of tier 7 against 8 heavies of tier 8. No rigged battles, sure... (sarcasm) Or equal number of heavies in both teams but every single one player in the enemy team uses gold ammo while in my team no one uses it. There ARE rigged battles - all those who payed the most are being put in the same team. And there's another example of a rigged battle: 3x IS-6 in the enemy team, one of them is 200 meters from me (T28 Prot.) and with the regular AP rounds of IS-6 with 175 penetration he penetrates the 203mm armor of the Prototype while my shots keep flying around him. That's happening with pretty much every premium tank I ever had to fight.

 

If there are Tier 7 tanks in the battle, then the max. number of Tier 8 tanks is 5.

Edited by Dis4ster, 18 June 2017 - 12:06 PM.


Jigabachi #16 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:07 PM

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View Postrado84, on 18 June 2017 - 11:25 AM, said:

No, you need to learn what the term means! That's a battle the RNG does everything in its power for one of the two teams to win to the point where absurd things happen - only to aid those payed a truck load of money for gold ammo.

And now you have to prove that the team setup was deliberate. Otherwise you should also grab your dictionary and look up what "delusion" means.

 

rado84's future self, on 18 June 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

I can't prove anything and I have to admit that I'm talking a lot of nonsense.

No problem. Apology accepted.



Aim_Away_From_Face #17 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:07 PM

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View PostSlyspy, on 18 June 2017 - 12:00 PM, said:

 

So how many games have you played to get that 18% WR? And what is your overall WR of the two sessions combined? 

 

Around 25. I've gone from 60%+ to 47 in those battles.
 

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Edited by Jahrakajin, 19 June 2017 - 01:03 PM.


Slyspy #18 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:20 PM

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View PostAim_Away_From_Face, on 18 June 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

 

Around 25. I've gone from 60%+ to 47 in those battles.

 

So why do you think that that sample of 25 games is statistically relevant?

h4ctor #19 Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:23 PM

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ITS RIGGED I TELL YOU

 

EVERYTIME I DONT WIN ITS BECAUSE WG DOESNT WANT ME TO BE PURPLE :izmena:

 

i should be in Fame but i have bad teams FeelsBlyatMan

 

 



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View PostRaffy5, on 18 June 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

Only 3 with 0 damage??

Come back when 7 team mates have 0 damage. And rest just 1 shoot of damage.

 

Had that yesterday in a full tier X standard game on Derpenberg. A platoon of two drowned themselves at the start (thanks XVM), half went to the other side to get nuked while driving close and open up towards the castle and the rest of us wondered what the hell was going on. 6-8 tanks checked out at 0 damage, two got 1,5k and the others one shot worth of damage. I did the brave and noble farm with my light while everything went to the Edited . It was quite something.   

 

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