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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 18 June 2017 - 03:27 PM

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I just got the soviet T10 and as the IS-3 was so much superior to anything in the German lines on tier 8, the T10 feels so much superior to the E75. OMG.

 

I'm really upset at having started the game with German tanks on all lines, they are so inferior on these corridor maps.

I feel they would be doing ok on large open maps, but these are rare.

 

So a word of warning to anyone who thinks about starting the game playing German tanks: don't do it.

if you want heavies, take the Russians IS-7 line, for mediums take the American M48 Patton line, the T57 heavy line being quite cool too going from lights to meds to heavy, and for lights and medium that play like lights, take the French.

 

On tier 8, the only German tank that is not hopelessly dominated is the VK100.01P, which is very stong.

 

The Germans have decent TDs though.

 

I will try to continue the grind to the Leopard I, E100, E50M and Maus, hoping these will be better than their lower tier predecessors.

 

What loses German tanks besides the small maps is the flat armor, tall tank profile so it can be shot from anywhere and sluggish mobility.

 

Are there stats anywhere on average individual tank performance per map ?

 

flame away :-)


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 18 June 2017 - 03:29 PM.


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German superheavies weaker in corridor meta? What the actual [edited]are you smoking? E-75 will trash T-10 on corridor map.



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not if you make 1k damage with it

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View Postenu_, on 18 June 2017 - 03:50 PM, said:

not if you make 1k damage with it

 

still grinding the better gun...

 

but the gun doesn't change how much damage the tank takes, does it?

 

it's just too tall and the turret armor is just too flat. flattened and rounded armor changes angles dramatically when wiggled just a bit, if the tank can be hit at all due to low profile


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 18 June 2017 - 04:05 PM.


HassenderZerhacker #5 Posted 18 June 2017 - 04:08 PM

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View Postcro001, on 18 June 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

German superheavies weaker in corridor meta? What the actual [edited]are you smoking? E-75 will trash T-10 on corridor map.

 

nope it won't because the T-10 can use any terrain irregularity while the E75 will just stick out like a huge wart ready to take hits on its flat armor.

 

it's also much better in Himmelsdorf, as it can easily take cover behind any heap of sand, even small ones that will conceal its LFP.


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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 18 June 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

 

nope it won't because the T-10 can use any terrain irregularity while the E75 will just stick out like a huge wart ready to take hits on its flat armor.

 

it's also much better in Himmelsdorf, as it can easily take cover behind any heap of sand, even small ones that will conceal its LFP.

 

how does that matter when the T10 upper plate is weaker than the E75 lower plate?

siramra #7 Posted 18 June 2017 - 04:17 PM

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Dafuq did I just read? *getting my glasses*

Well, as a player who loves the T10 I sure as s**t don`t play that tank for its armor.

And a hulldown T10 still has weak upper plate and turret roof for an E75 to shoot down at.

 



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Armor use efficiency on his E-75 ~0.8, on his T-10 ~0.45. T-10 tanks more damage confirmed.

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I'll still take my E75 over a Russian HT any day. It's more versatile then anything they have... Or I have on tier 9.. Even tho I love my Conq after the buffs.

 

Mediums are more about style then any other class, as they are vastly different vs other classes. Thus most love the E50, or even hate the Patton. I personally loved the tier 9 Jap medium, or the Leo PT A. Even tho I had a crap start in it. It's amazing after they buffed it again.



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View Postcro001, on 18 June 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

Armor use efficiency on his E-75 ~0.8, on his T-10 ~0.45. T-10 tanks more damage confirmed.

 

haha.. after 4 battles with the T-10, and I have the stock turret, lol.

needs at least 30 battles with upgraded turret before drawing conclusions.

 

but yeah, E75 turret armor doesn't work against tier 10.

 

And on a side note unrelated to turret armor, I got one-clipped today by a T57 heavy from the front after another tank tracked me.



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 18 June 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

 

still grinding the better gun...

 

but the gun doesn't change how much damage the tank takes, does it?

 

it's just too tall and the turret armor is just too flat. flattened and rounded armor changes angles dramatically when wiggled just a bit, if the tank can be hit at all due to low profile

 

The top gun transformed the E75 for me.  It is a very good tank when fully elited.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 18 June 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

I'll still take my E75 over a Russian HT any day. It's more versatile then anything they have... Or I have on tier 9.. Even tho I love my Conq after the buffs.

 

Mediums are more about style then any other class, as they are vastly different vs other classes. Thus most love the E50, or even hate the Patton. I personally loved the tier 9 Jap medium, or the Leo PT A. Even tho I had a crap start in it. It's amazing after they buffed it again.

 

how do you make the Leo Prot A work with the stock gun, no food and no premium ammo?

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 18 June 2017 - 04:31 PM, said:

The top gun transformed the E75 for me.  It is a very good tank when fully elited.

 

OK, I hope so!

I'll continue grinding and report back :)



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View PostBalc0ra, on 18 June 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

I'll still take my E75 over a Russian HT any day. It's more versatile then anything they have... Or I have on tier 9.. Even tho I love my Conq after the buffs.

 

Mediums are more about style then any other class, as they are vastly different vs other classes. Thus most love the E50, or even hate the Patton. I personally loved the tier 9 Jap medium, or the Leo PT A. Even tho I had a crap start in it. It's amazing after they buffed it again.

 

I'd say T-10 is far superior, I really didn't enjoy E-75 on my friends acc. It was too clunky to play, inaccurate and underwhelming armour.

Meanwhile T-10 feels far superior apart from the hull armour, it's turret is better, gun handling is really impressive and it's much more mobile, able to fill more roles than E-75.

 

There's a reason why it's often used in WGL, it's just a very good tank and very adaptable.



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German Med and Heavy Tank Weak? Well I cant say anything about the new Heavy Tanks...but I found Tiger P and E75 quite strong. All others...well you could forget them.

Meds on the other hand: Pz 4H, VK 30.01D, Leopard PTA, Leopard 1, E50 and E50M are very strong if played right.

 

The russian t-10 on the other hand is a Medium....it cant stand 1:1 on a corner vs E75. I dont say its bad.....just its no typical heavy.

And about Medium Tanks....I have played the USA Line....I am not impressed. Big, slow, no armor, bad weapons

 



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 18 June 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

 

how do you make the Leo Prot A work with the stock gun, no food and no premium ammo?

 

So why do u recommend in your title players to stay away from german meds when u have no clue? And u have none of them.

 

View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 18 June 2017 - 04:33 PM, said:

 

OK, I hope so!

I'll continue grinding and report back :)

 

Don`t. Nothing u find out is to any value for anyone here.

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 18 June 2017 - 04:33 PM, said:

 

OK, I hope so!

I'll continue grinding and report back :)

 

The E75 top gun is also used on a couple of other German tanks so avoids a repeated grind for you.  The tank I found I needed to avoid was the T54 - heat just goes straight through the turret face.

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View PostSchmeksiman, on 18 June 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

 

I'd say T-10 is far superior, I really didn't enjoy E-75 on my friends acc. It was too clunky to play, inaccurate and underwhelming armour.

Meanwhile T-10 feels far superior apart from the hull armour, it's turret is better, gun handling is really impressive and it's much more mobile, able to fill more roles than E-75.

 

There's a reason why it's often used in WGL, it's just a very good tank and very adaptable.

 

T-10 is better, but to say E-75 is outdated is pure [edited]. It's very capable heavy.

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View Postcro001, on 18 June 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

T-10 is better, but to say E-75 is outdated is pure [edited]. It's very capable heavy.

 

It is kind of outdated, it only does well against low pen tank that it's able to bully. But by using prem you can simply negate that and E-75 suffers there. The turret front is flat and lower plate is huge. Against anything with high pen to start with you're just gonna struggle.



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View Postsiramra, on 18 June 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

Don`t. Nothing u find out is to any value for anyone here.

 

your opinion is no longer wanted... bye !

 






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