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janis8008 #1 Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:51 AM

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Title says It all, worst dpm and turret traverse and dispersion values

qpranger #2 Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:53 AM

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At least the armour is good.

tajj7 #3 Posted 19 June 2017 - 11:59 AM

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Er Challenger says hello.

 

It also IMO looks better than the Krup Steyr thing, the T25/2, the T25 AT, Ikv 90, and probably the SU-100M1/

 

Best tier 7 TDs are probably E 25, AT-15A, SU-152 with the derp, SU-122-44, and the good old Jagdpanther.  It's probably one of the few tiers in the game where the turretless TDs are generally better than the turreted ones. 



magkiln #4 Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:01 PM

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Personally, I absolutely hated the St. Emil. At least the Skorpion has mobility. The St Emil is a ridgeline snipe that doesn't have the engine power to get up that ridge.

 

As for the others. The Challenger is an absolute turd and the Krup Steyr was so bad it needed a buff within weeks of being introduced. Now it's mediocre.  The T25/2 is OK, but no more than that and the T25AT is actually quite good, once you have the top gun. Never played the SU100M, so I cannot judge. The IKV90. I don't know. I've had some good games in it, but always by improvising an playing it like a light tank. As a sniper it's hopeless.


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View Postqpranger, on 19 June 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

At least the armour is good.

If it works like the armor on french LTs it will deflect everything even 155mm shells. 



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View Postmagkiln, on 19 June 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

Personally, I absolutely hated the St. Emil. At least the Skorpion has mobility. The St Emil is a ridgeline snipe that doesn't have the engine power to get up that ridge.

 

You have no choice but to use it as an assault gun often, deploying in immediate support behind frontline brawlers and just picking and choosing your entrances as the enemy is reloading.

captainpigg #7 Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:20 PM

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View Postmagkiln, on 19 June 2017 - 11:01 AM, said:

Personally, I absolutely hated the St. Emil. At least the Skorpion has mobility. The St Emil is a ridgeline snipe that doesn't have the engine power to get up that ridge.

 

As for the others. The Challenger is an absolute turd and the Krup Steyr was so bad it needed a buff within weeks of being introduced. Now it's mediocre.  The T25/2 is OK, but no more than that and the T25AT is actually quite good, once you have the top gun. Never played the SU100M, so I cannot judge. The IKV90. I don't know. I've had some good games in it, but always by improvising an playing it like a light tank. As a sniper it's hopeless.

 

Still has a gun that will make tier 9 heavies think twice, so nowhere near worst in tier, I would say worst for tier would be a tie between the 2 turreted TD's. Thankfully the tier 8's are much better, with the T28 prot being the nicest surprise I've had in game I can think of. The T28 being one of the worst.

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It has my highest damage output per game at tier 7, as it doesn't allow you to be adventurous. It does also have a 59% WR. I don't know, but I like this thing. I have to admit I haven't played it with the new MM yet as I was busy with other things. The message is not to get spotted or a use a ridge line to shoot, only exposing a tiny bit.

THE_JACK_OF_HEARTS #9 Posted 19 June 2017 - 01:17 PM

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Its fine.

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View Posttajj7, on 19 June 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:

It also IMO looks better than the Krup Steyr thing, the T25/2, the T25 AT, Ikv 90, and probably the SU-100M1/

 

Actually, of all the tier VII TDs I tried, SU-100M1 is by far and large the best one. A true hidden gem, IMHO.

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Its by far better than Ikv 90, T25 AT, SU-100M1, AMX AC 46 and St Emil. Challenger and T25/2 are ehh too but those are more like retarded mediums than TDs.

 

Scorpion is not necessarily good but its already better than half of the TDs in the tier, though tier 7 is filled with ultimate trashcan TDs.



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It's not good, but has the dreadful state of T7 and memes on its side.

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View PostFolau, on 19 June 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

It's not good, but has the dreadful state of T7 and memes on its side.

 

I am confused.... Thread after thread whine about tier 8's only being bottom tier, but Tier 7's are all in a dreadful state? Lol....

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View Postmagkiln, on 19 June 2017 - 11:01 AM, said:

Personally, I absolutely hated the St. Emil. At least the Skorpion has mobility. The St Emil is a ridgeline snipe that doesn't have the engine power to get up that ridge.

 

As for the others. The Challenger is an absolute turd and the Krup Steyr was so bad it needed a buff within weeks of being introduced. Now it's mediocre.  The T25/2 is OK, but no more than that and the T25AT is actually quite good, once you have the top gun. Never played the SU100M, so I cannot judge. The IKV90. I don't know. I've had some good games in it, but always by improvising an playing it like a light tank. As a sniper it's hopeless.

 

St Emil I think is there as a free XP sink.

 

It also has to pay massively for having 490 alpha on tier 7, in non-derp form, high rolls and it basically two shots tier 7 mediums. 



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View PostDracheimFlug, on 19 June 2017 - 12:42 PM, said:

 

I am confused.... Thread after thread whine about tier 8's only being bottom tier, but Tier 7's are all in a dreadful state? Lol....

 

T7 balance is terrible, so a bad tank can appear reasonable compared across its tier. Then again it's rare I play below 9 these days.

 

EDIT: it's actually become rare I play WoT in general relative to how much I used to play it.


Edited by Folau, 19 June 2017 - 01:52 PM.


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Its possibly one of the worst TD's. even with good standard pen it has so many crippling shortcomings.

I quote myself from another post.

 

"Tank needs a major ROF buff to offset the pathetic armor and module damage. its completely open. not even open top! WHY IS THE DPM SO MISERABLE?!?! no cramped space to load shells, SO WHY WG?!!

 

1mm armor and what does it show for it? a 90mm gun thats 100% garbage, pen not even good enough to snipe IS-3 with due to derpy accuracy. the tanks sluggish, turns like a beached whale and ramming anything instantly kills it. the gun turns like a broken heavy tank's turret ring.

 

You would think a tank with 1mm armor would have something compensated for it! SU-152 gets the best TD gun in tier, gets troll armor and a mantle that eats IS-3 shots for days. but GOD FORBID you give a tank with 1mm armor decent DPM for a pathetic 240 alpha.

 

You even gave SU-122-44 more camo after firing AND faster reload. shows how useless WG are at balancing anything in this game."

 


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You know there's something called balance, when you strap 219 pen gun on very mobile TD with great gun arc and sneaky camo.

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View PostAntiless, on 19 June 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

You know there's something called balance, when you strap 219 pen gun on very mobile TD with great gun arc and sneaky camo.

 

Very Mobile.. dont make me laugh. 45kmh limited is not mobile, E25 is mobile with preff. 219pen is nice. if you could actually hit something thats moving, you cant hit them if they get remotely close due crippled turret traverse. and again. SU-122-44 has more camo than this after firing while Scorpion is half the size of that tank.

 

Its a bad tank.


Edited by Search_Warrant, 19 June 2017 - 04:37 PM.


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I find the M56 very effective and it's managing a nearly complete solo WR of over 59%.  No it isn't a great candidate for a Kolobanov's   it does need a team to play off but if can add a lot of very critical fire support and spotting that turns losses into wins.   However you need to be sniping from 400m+ in the most part or you'd be better in something else.

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View Postqpranger, on 19 June 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

At least the armour is good.

 

And the ramming capabilities are also stellar.




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