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scorpiontank1 #1 Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:01 PM

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this is so [edited]stupid , t71 is 100 times better than bull dog , id much rather have t71 as tier 8 to grind the t54e1 or t49 than bull dog , and i think we all know why 

 

also BC-12t is weaker than 13 75 , whats with this new t7 light  meta?



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Which gun are you using on the Bulldog?

scorpiontank1 #3 Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:17 PM

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View PostTheMarketGardener, on 20 June 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

Which gun are you using on the Bulldog?

 

auto loader , iknow the top gun is better but bulldog is famous for it auto loader 

JuliusCheddar #4 Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:18 PM

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Wait what 

Are you actually handicapping tank by using wrong gun and you want WG to buff the tank because it's underperforming? 


Edited by JuliusCheddar, 20 June 2017 - 12:20 PM.


Sir_Bad #5 Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:19 PM

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I rebought the T71 after the patch and it is a pretty great little tank tbh.

The bulldog on the other hand got screwed damn hard when they "rebalanced" the lights. If you aren't using it already, I would suggest the top single shooter gun, since the autoloader is pretty pointless as it is right now. Of course it can't hold a candle to the performance of the M41 90 GF at the moment but that statement could be said for any premium LT at this point.

 

Though I think the impression, that the T7 lights are stronger atm, stems from the screwed matchmaking of the T8s in general. From what I experienced, with T7 the MM is quite ok actually, while the T8s (especially when playing in a platoon) are just constantly dumped into T10 matches.



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View Postscorpiontank1, on 20 June 2017 - 02:17 PM, said:

 

auto loader , iknow the top gun is better but bulldog is famous for it auto loader 

 

No wonder, autoloader is beyond trash now and you're just gimping yourself by using it. Get rid of the autoloader, use the single shot. It's the only option now. Decent reload with 170 alpha. Did you really think 4 less shots in the autoloader with the same 30+ seconds reload was worth it?

Captain_Kremen0 #7 Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:29 PM

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Always preferred my T71 and still do.

JuliusCheddar #8 Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:29 PM

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I can't even

How stupid is that thread anyway? 

"WG pls buff m48 Patton it has only 218 pen other mediums got 268 wtf Russia bias btw using stock gun because shells are cheaper" 



Balc0ra #9 Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:47 PM

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So you use the gun with 1300 less dpm? Why deliberately cripple yourself with that gun?  Yes the clip gun on the Bulldog has way more pen vs the T71, but that don't justify the16 sec longer reload on the same burst damage indeed. So in a 1 on 1 vs a T71, the Bulldog will lose if he has the clip gun. IMO the clip gun needs a reload buff.

 

But still.... the top gun is the better option even if they did buff the clip gun. As that gun will make you come out on top vs any lower tier target. The other will make you useless vs even tier 6 targets at times atm with that reload. My T71 has a DPM of 1879. My Bulldog has 2471 with the single fire gun. And 1174 with the clip gun. Time between shots on the clip gun is 2 seconds for 6 shots. The top gun has a reload of 4 seconds. So either way, even vs a T71. The top gun is the better option. Even if they buffed the reload on the clip gun from 36 to 20 seconds, the Single fire gun will kill it first.

 

I mean... 1.1K DPM. That's not even great for a tier 4.


Edited by Balc0ra, 20 June 2017 - 12:54 PM.


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with regard to autoloader it is odd it keeps same reload time from 10 shot, tweak that and it should be ok?

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View Postscorpiontank1, on 20 June 2017 - 12:17 PM, said:

 

auto loader , iknow the top gun is better but bulldog is famous for it auto loader 

 

For future thread ideas, you could play IS-4 with the stock gun and complain how bad the tank is.

JuliusCheddar #12 Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:23 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 20 June 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

 

For future thread ideas, you could play IS-4 with the stock gun and complain how bad the tank is.

Well actually, we had a guy on the forums demanding buff for the bat chat 25t

He was playing with stock gun. 



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The T71 should have been nerfed to hell the same way they did 13 75. no reason T71 should have kept its autoloader.

Achibot #14 Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:30 PM

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13 75 was crap before patch and is crap after. T71 was good before patch and is good after. This suggests the nerfing was fairly even, just one tank was worse off than the other to begin with.

leggasiini #15 Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:30 PM

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View Postscorpiontank1, on 20 June 2017 - 01:17 PM, said:

 

auto loader , iknow the top gun is better but bulldog is famous for it auto loader 

 

By same logic you would use 10.5cm gun on Panther II "because it has biggest caliber."

 

For god sake do not handicap yourself for playing the trash gun, just use non autoloader



nikolaink123 #16 Posted 20 June 2017 - 02:15 PM

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No, they're fine as they are right now.

Also WG has way bigger problems to deal with at the moment.



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View PostSir_Bad, on 20 June 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

I rebought the T71 after the patch and it is a pretty great little tank tbh.

The bulldog on the other hand got screwed damn hard when they "rebalanced" the lights. If you aren't using it already, I would suggest the top single shooter gun, since the autoloader is pretty pointless as it is right now. Of course it can't hold a candle to the performance of the M41 90 GF at the moment but that statement could be said for any premium LT at this point.

 

Though I think the impression, that the T7 lights are stronger atm, stems from the screwed matchmaking of the T8s in general. From what I experienced, with T7 the MM is quite ok actually, while the T8s (especially when playing in a platoon) are just constantly dumped into T10 matches.

 

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So much agree on this.

 

If tier 8 got un**cked, maybe the light tanks of that tier would gain in popularity, but until then, tier 7 LTs are the bomb. Especially the 13 57 which I can only imagine will get nerfed at some point as it is just too strong (yes, I have one, played it very much, but can be objective about it anyway).



apaleytos #18 Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:49 PM

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Grinding/playing t5-t6 tanks you will realise that everyone plays E25s and T71s.

 

Why? Because E25 is broken and t71 is the T7 batchat.900 clip potential meeting t5 tanks(blind without decent crews etc). Typical WG,we "forget" some tanks OP,so people can ride the "OP train".T8 MM is completely fed up so it makes it even worse.

 

People with t8 prems complain all the time about being food to T10 and almost never top tier.Why?Because there are so many of them.Play some games with a t6 tank and see how many top tier skorpion Gs,you will encounter.

 

Mid tiers are overpopulated with LTs and TDs and high tiers with super HTs.Where is the fun in a game with full team maus and type4/5s libertes and defenders or 6 TDs or 5 LTs or 3 artys.One team get a T44 and the other a defender,gg MM.I would happily wait 30 sec for a game with 0-1 arty,2-3 TDs,2-3 LTs and rest meds and HTs...Personally i think support classes should never be top tier (LTs,TDs,Arty).I am not a computer programmer so it might be really difficult to create a proper lineup.After all,fail platoon problem took 6 yrs to correct.


Edited by apaleytos, 20 June 2017 - 04:49 PM.


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View PostJuliusCheddar, on 20 June 2017 - 12:18 PM, said:

Wait what 

Are you actually handicapping tank by using wrong gun and you want WG to buff the tank because it's underperforming? 

 

Seriously, what kind of nonsense is this? Wrong gun? They're both Tier VIII 76 mm guns for a Tier VIII Light Tank. The only reason the auto-loading T91E5 is now a 'wrong' choice is because Wargaming decided to gimp it into oblivion; increased drum load, decreased drum size, and additionally leave it at 150 average damage whereas the single shot 76 mm gets 170 average, as do both auto-loading 75 mm guns on the French BatChat 12t.

 

So yes, the 76 mm T91E5 really does need to be buffed. The Tier VII T71 gets 1.800 DPM for its 6 -round drum, the Tier VIII M41 gets ~1.100.

 

View Postleggasiini, on 20 June 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

By same logic you would use 10.5cm gun on Panther II "because it has biggest caliber."

 

For god sake do not handicap yourself for playing the trash gun, just use non autoloader

 

The 10.5 cm is a Tier V and a different caliber compared to the best gun choices yet none of them are auto-loaders. So no, it's not the same logic at all. Yours is a complete absence of logic. Yes, the auto-loading gun T91E5 currently is far inferior to the single shot equal caliber, which is why the T91E5 needs to be buffed. Or rather unnerfed. 

 


Edited by AliceUnchained, 20 June 2017 - 06:16 PM.





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