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_EXODUZ_ #1 Posted 20 June 2017 - 03:57 PM

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Much better, eh?



Dennyb #2 Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:02 PM

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Why would they do that? It doesn't fit with their new pay-to-win business model.

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I'm a tad confused. Those spots currently are 250 for the Type 4, 270 for the Type 5 According to tanks.gg but you've listed them (or, they are listed in those images and not by you) as 260 and 280 For the original values respectively. Initially assuming it's taking into effect the angle too though, as the 270mm front there for the Type 5 Is 280mm effective, so maybe it's just that.

Nonetheless, I would like the idea of implementing such weakspots. Feel like they be 15-20mm less than the effective armour there, but nonetheless, just the idea of actually implementing weakspots is enough to make me happy.



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View PostDennyb, on 20 June 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

Why would they do that? It doesn't fit with their new pay-to-win business model.

 

You do realize that they haven't stated any such model, right? It is just something players are accusing them of. And even though there is evidence to support the accusations, and even if they are true, there is nothing to stop them changing policy at any time.

 

Besides these aren't premium tanks and their being too good reduces premium sales.... 



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View PostDracheimFlug, on 20 June 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

You do realize that they haven't stated any such model, right? It is just something players are accusing them of. And even though there is evidence to support the accusations, and even if they are true, there is nothing to stop them changing policy at any time.

 

Besides these aren't premium tanks and their being too good reduces premium sales.... 

 

The company haven't stated their pay-to-win business model to the playerbase? Wow, that must mean it's not pay-to-win since companies always come clean about that stuff. Silly me.

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I think that the derps are a bigger problem than their armour.

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Actually it would be better then now. As atm the Type 4 can't even pen it self with the top AP gun. As it don't have enough average AP for any spot.

 

Then again, even if they did nerf it to 99mm on those two spots, it would not change much. 9 out 10 people never aims at those spots anyway. As I can't even recall getting pen there when I played mine.

 


Edited by Balc0ra, 20 June 2017 - 04:26 PM.


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I like these changes but they need to do more, I.E guns.

 

Derps obviously need overhaul or preferably even removal. 14cm guns however needs buffs, as Type 5 14cm gun is barely better than IS-7's gun and that thing has mobility unlike Type.

 

Also if WG doesnt change Type 4 anyhow (assuming they nerf derp too) it will be complete trash again.

 

Its still something, though. Also O-I Experimental getting changed is surprising because I dont even remember when they last time tried to balance a tier 5 tank.



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260mm is considered a weakspot? :/

But eh, its a good start.



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They can nerf Type 4 armor when they remove the 200mm cheek weak spots!!! how about NO WG? Type 4 already sucks to play, nerfing the 1 thing (which is already bad against "press 2 to win" players) will suck even more now! its FLAT Edited ARMOR!!! ALL GOLD GOES THREW THE FRONT! U CANT EVEN SIDESCRAPE!!

 

Tank that sucks will now become worse. great job WG. u even play your own god dam game?


Edited by Asklepi0s, 21 June 2017 - 10:47 AM.
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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 20 June 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

They can nerf Type 4 armor when they remove the 200mm cheek weak spots!!! how about NO WG? Type 4 already sucks to play, nerfing the 1 thing (which is already bad against "press 2 to win" players) will suck even more now! its FLAT Edited  ARMOR!!! ALL GOLD GOES THREW THE FRONT! U CANT EVEN SIDESCRAPE!!

 

Tank that sucks will now become worse. great job WG. u even play your own god dam game?

 

Then again they didnt announce derp gun rework or removal either so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I assume these are not full changes, hopefully. They should also buff the 14cm guns of both tanks.

 

 


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View PostBalc0ra, on 20 June 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

Actually it would be better then now. As atm the Type 4 can't even pen it self with the top AP gun. As it don't have enough average AP for any spot.

 

Then again, even if they did nerf it to 99mm on those two spots, it would not change much. 9 out 10 people never aims at those spots anyway. As I can't even recall getting pen there when I played mine.

 

 

Actually, it can. The cuppola can be penned by regular AP.

 

Anyway, the type 5 is still one of the worst TX tanks around. It is somewhat of a threat on city maps against bad players, but that is about it. It never ceases to amaze me people are whining about this UP POS instead of the MAUS, which is insanely overbuffed at the moment.



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View PostSchepel, on 20 June 2017 - 05:45 PM, said:

Anyway, the type 5 is still one of the worst TX tanks around. It is somewhat of a threat on city maps against bad players, but that is about it. It never ceases to amaze me people are whining about this UP POS instead of the MAUS, which is insanely overbuffed at the moment.

 

Ehhh?

 

You obviously dont use derp and spam 100% gold HE like WG intents you to do.

 

Also are you just saying that something that does 500 with non penetrations and has armor that you pretty much cant damage with normal ammo, can do 1400 to paper targets (aka is basically landarty) and that has literally P2W ammo is not worthy topic to be whined about? Sure you can pen the cupola with AP but its stupidly unreliable and generally not worth it unless your playing something that has 250 - 270 gold pen.

 

 


Edited by leggasiini, 20 June 2017 - 04:50 PM.


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View PostSchepel, on 20 June 2017 - 04:45 PM, said:

Anyway, the type 5 is still one of the worst TX tanks around. It is somewhat of a threat on city maps against bad players, but that is about it. It never ceases to amaze me people are whining about this UP POS instead of the MAUS, which is insanely overbuffed at the moment.

 

Both have been complained about, both are equally as bad (Maus is worse, but both need rebalancing at the end of the day IMHO). It's depressing not to hear any changes to the Maus or any other stupid (super)Heavies, but it's a start.

 

Don't worry, if this is the WG We all know and ha- love, they'll screw something up along the way. It's always two steps backward with each step forward for them.


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I owned a type 4 and its an overrated tank. Big, slow and most of the players shoot a gold against you. 

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Oh also about the O-I Experimental changes.... how about no? my KV-220-2 has 99pen AP rounds. im now forced to spam gold to pen another heavy tank frontally IN THE SAME GOD DAM TIER AS ME!!!

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View PostSchepel, on 20 June 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

 

Actually, it can. The cuppola can be penned by regular AP.

The cupola is literally the same effective thickness as most of the hull



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View PostJ00F, on 20 June 2017 - 05:52 PM, said:

 
I owned a type 4 and its an overrated tank. Big, slow and most of the players shoot a gold against you. 

No one ever called Type 4 good, its the Type 5 that is broken as heck. Type 4 without derp gun with full gold HE spam is arguably the worst tier 9 in the game.

 

View PostSearch_Warrant, on 20 June 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

Oh also about the O-I Experimental changes.... how about no? my KV-220-2 has 99pen AP rounds. im now forced to spam gold to pen another heavy tank frontally IN THE SAME GOD DAM TIER AS ME!!!

 

Boobs are unchanged, so you should still pen those with AP. Also would you rather lose 300 HP from it than needing to aim bit more?

 

Also, KV-220-2 itself is terribly designed tank (horrible gun, completely broken armor as majority avoids turret as KV-1's turret is one of the strongpoints of it) so I wouldnt whine it not being able to pen same tier heavy without APCR. It already struggles against O-IE or KV-1 with AP, anyways.



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 20 June 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

Oh also about the O-I Experimental changes.... how about no? my KV-220-2 has 99pen AP rounds. im now forced to spam gold to pen another heavy tank frontally IN THE SAME GOD DAM TIER AS ME!!!

 

Yeah, but atleast he won't casually snapshotting you for 300 Damage now. I feel like that's a fair trade.



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View Postleggasiini, on 20 June 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

No one ever called Type 4 good, its the Type 5 that is broken as heck. Type 4 without derp gun with full gold HE spam is arguably the worst tier 9 in the game.

 

 

Boobs are unchanged, so you should still pen those with AP. Also would you rather lose 300 HP from it than needing to aim bit more?

 

Also, KV-220-2 itself is terribly designed tank (horrible gun, completely broken armor as majority avoids turret as KV-1's turret is one of the strongpoints of it) so I wouldnt whine it not being able to pen same tier heavy without APCR. It already struggles against O-IE or KV-1 with AP, anyways.

 

When KV-1 had weak spots it was easy.. then they removed them all... also KV-220-2 has a paper turret. its not the tanks fault tomatos use autoaim (and usualy pen me anyways)

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