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juonimies #1 Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:15 PM

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There is no game manipulation in WoT.

 

25 "games" so far today.

 

6 victories.


 

Of those 25, 15 have been defected by fail MM, by steamroll defeats/victories, or by both.

 

 There is no game manipulation in WoT, no.


Edited by juonimies, 21 June 2017 - 03:16 PM.


tajj7 #2 Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:29 PM

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You have a 47% overall win rate and a recent WR of 43%.

43% of 25 is 10-11 wins. So you lost 4-5 more games than you would on average, big whoop.

 

If you were better, then in those 25 games you could have easily turned 6-7 games and got at least a 50% WR.  Not really the games fault you play badly and drag down the teams you play in. 

 

Over the last week you have average 400 damage in tier 5 and 6 vehicles, that is poor, not sure why you think you would win more games? 

 

You average 827 damage per game in a T-62A, one of the best tier 10 meds.  And that is from 2,211 games, and that gives you a 39% WR in that tank. 

 

You are bad and you play bad, that makes you lose games. 

 

You are pretty much evidence that there is no manipulation or rigging because

 

Your *Edited play = low win rate. 

 

Thus play better = win more. 


Edited by Nohe21, 23 June 2017 - 09:18 AM.
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juonimies #3 Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:33 PM

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And my WR today is 24%. But how does win rate effect to current "game" outcome or to MM from which game result can be predicted? Tell me, oh smart Great tajj7 please? (and besides, guy who has over 20000 "games", and ranked as "field marshal", should know there are 14 other "players" in a team too...)

Edited by juonimies, 21 June 2017 - 03:45 PM.


signal11th #4 Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:36 PM

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Nope nothing to do with you just WG making you look bad......

 

Seriously what annoys me,I got yesterday an average of 1800 damage per game and yet only got 3% more WR and yet potatoes like you amble about doing sweet FA and still manage to get 47% WR. So really if anyone should be complaining it should be me of WG "obvious" manipulation of the MM/WR letting bozos like you inflate their WR even when you play like a *Edited.


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Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:46 PM

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No OP it's you performing even worse than usual. You get carried every time and still manage to shift the game in favor of the enemy team.
Good players having a bad day results in bad wr every blue moon but not in your case. You are actually getting worse.

If they manipulated the game you would have at least 49% in no time just by attending games. 


Edited by Enforcer1975, 21 June 2017 - 03:48 PM.


juonimies #6 Posted 21 June 2017 - 04:59 PM

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This wouldn't be a WoT chat without a bit personal poking, hahaha, if you guys were as smart as I, you*d notice I write about a system, not about a personal "stats". 

panter22 #7 Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:04 PM

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View Postjuonimies, on 21 June 2017 - 02:15 PM, said:

There is no game manipulation in WoT.

 

25 "games" so far today.

 

6 victories.


 

Of those 25, 15 have been defected by fail MM, by steamroll defeats/victories, or by both.

 

 There is no game manipulation in WoT, no.

 

aha right :medal:

ASAMTIGASHUKNO #8 Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:05 PM

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View Postjuonimies, on 21 June 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

This wouldn't be a WoT chat without a bit personal poking, hahaha, if you guys were as smart as I, you*d notice I write about a system, not about a personal "stats". 

 

That's the same thing, actually. By playing better, you get better stats, and you beat the system. Simples.

lord_chipmonk #9 Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:08 PM

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View Postjuonimies, on 21 June 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

This wouldn't be a WoT chat without a bit personal poking, hahaha, if you guys were as smart as I, you*d notice I write about a system, not about a personal "stats". 

 

OP, your "argument" is based on the assumption that you should be winning more matches than you did. You implicitly brought stats into the debate as soon as you set it up. All anyone else is saying is that you have shown no evidence of the game being "manipulated". 

Suurpolskija #10 Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:14 PM

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Not even looking at your stats here and I'm just gonna say this:

Don't hide behind tinfoil-hattery. If you keep losing, look in the mirror. Do you consistently do more dmg than your hp? Do you often die early?

Maybe save your replays, especially the bad ones, and review them yourself and think if you could have done something better.

There's only so much one player can do, yeah, but you might find put that playing right way can make all the difference every now and then.

That "every now and then" is what makes you win 51%, not 49. Hit just one shot more every game and you'll be seeing some very nice changes in your stats and probably wins too.

slitth #11 Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:18 PM

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View Postjuonimies, on 21 June 2017 - 02:15 PM, said:

There is no game manipulation in WoT.

 

25 "games" so far today.

 

6 victories.


 

Of those 25, 15 have been defected by fail MM, by steamroll defeats/victories, or by both.

 

 There is no game manipulation in WoT, no.

 

How is it game manipulated? What kind of players are affected by the manipulation?

How is game coded to achieve the manipulation.

And why is the game manipulated in the first place?

 

 



brumbarr #12 Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:20 PM

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Standard deviation of 25 games at 47% WR is 9,98 , basicly 10.

So a wr   lower than 37% and higher than 57% has a 35% chance of happening. 

A wr lower than 27% and higher than 67% a 5% chance of happening.

 

Factor in the randomness of your performance, and why are you surprised?

Thsi is exactly waht we see with a random MM. Tnx for proving it once again.

 



siramra #13 Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:24 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 21 June 2017 - 03:29 PM, said:

You have a 47% overall win rate and a recent WR of 43%.

43% of 25 is 10-11 wins. So you lost 4-5 more games than you would on average, big whoop.

 

If you were better, then in those 25 games you could have easily turned 6-7 games and got at least a 50% WR.  Not really the games fault you play badly and drag down the teams you play in.

 

Over the last week you have average 400 damage in tier 5 and 6 vehicles, that is poor, not sure why you think you would win more games?

 

You average 827 damage per game in a T-62A, one of the best tier 10 meds.  And that is from 2,211 games, and that gives you a 39% WR in that tank.

 

You are bad and you play bad, that makes you lose games.

 

You are pretty much evidence that there is no manipulation or rigging because

 

Your crap play = low win rate. 

 

Thus play better = win more. 

 

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This one of the best and to the point reply I`ve read lately.


 



BravelyRanAway #14 Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:28 PM

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View Postjuonimies, on 21 June 2017 - 03:59 PM, said:

 if you guys were as smart as I, you*d notice I write about a system, 

OK....so explain how some get much higher WR's than you......as you're the smart one, explain how the system and chooses the winners and losers and removes ability as a way of achievement.



Enforcer1975 #15 Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:28 PM

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View Postjuonimies, on 21 June 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

This wouldn't be a WoT chat without a bit personal poking, hahaha, if you guys were as smart as I, you*d notice I write about a system, not about a personal "stats".

 

Well if you look at the "better" players you will see that they generally do a lot more damage than you in the same tank fighting the same system as you.

By your standards a garbage truck driver should have the same salary as a banker...not fair to the banker imo.


Edited by Enforcer1975, 21 June 2017 - 05:29 PM.


NUKLEAR_SLUG #16 Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:39 PM

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View Postjuonimies, on 21 June 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

This wouldn't be a WoT chat without a bit personal poking, hahaha, if you guys were as smart as I, you*d notice I write about a system, not about a personal "stats". 

 

With the new MM and it's 3-5-7 template when you play your T62-A you are one of the top tier tanks and therefore have much more influence over the outcome of the game. Unfortunately you are very bad in your T62-A which means having you on the team as top tier the game is more likely to be a loss. This is why you lose and as others have said if you want to improve your winrate you have to improve yourself first. AKA, git gudder.

Edited by NUKLEAR_SLUG, 21 June 2017 - 05:40 PM.


Al_Xander #17 Posted 21 June 2017 - 06:57 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 21 June 2017 - 03:29 PM, said:

Your crap play = low win rate. 

 

Thus play better = win more. 

 

Nope. My new account has 45% WR with "crap play" and WR rises*. My old account with "play better" has 48% WR and I cant make WR lower (some time ago I tried make WR 45-46%). In other words: pray to RND and play :)

(good advice to topicstarter is use imba tanks. or play rarely)



Slyspy #18 Posted 21 June 2017 - 07:21 PM

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View PostAl_Xander, on 21 June 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:

 

Nope. My new account has 45% WR with "crap play" and WR rises*. My old account with "play better" has 48% WR and I cant make WR lower (some time ago I tried make WR 45-46%). In other words: pray to RND and play :)

(good advice to topicstarter is use imba tanks. or play rarely)

 

I suspect that on both accounts you die far to much and far too quickly and are rarely around to influence the end-game. 

Edited by Slyspy, 21 June 2017 - 07:21 PM.


TankkiPoju #19 Posted 21 June 2017 - 07:23 PM

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View PostAl_Xander, on 21 June 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:

 

Nope. My new account has 45% WR with "crap play" and WR rises*. My old account with "play better" has 48% WR and I cant make WR lower (some time ago I tried make WR 45-46%). In other words: pray to RND and play :)

(good advice to topicstarter is use imba tanks. or play rarely)

 

It's because when you "play better" you are not actually good, but average. 48% is very average.

Tulikukka #20 Posted 21 June 2017 - 09:42 PM

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Games are rigged, I am playing F2P account with perhaps not so good performing lines but my WR is still over 55%...

Wargaming is buffing non paying customer stats too much in my opinion and hammering those who are paying for this game :harp:
 

 

 

Want talk about game rigging? It is launching into game at same time with coordinated countdown over VOIP with 20-30 people in platoons and usually happens 2-3 platoons end up in same side and 1-2 other side. Helping then in otherside otherside team over VOIP is called rigging and it happens, not huge problem currently (marginal) but when a new mission comes that everybody is grinding and if it had a too hard condition for average Joe then clan / friends are rigging games to boost their friends up in the ladder. Wargaming of course punishes this behavior if they're caught with a ban, the mission is removed from their account or other penalties.


Edited by Tulikukka, 21 June 2017 - 09:43 PM.





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