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FluffyRedFox #101 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:30 PM

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 23 June 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:

 

Oh :P Well they could just give in an E3 cupola and nerf the LFP :great:

Or remove its armour model entirely :trollface: 



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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 23 June 2017 - 09:24 PM, said:

 

It was effective hulldown, untill people complained that its cupola should be nerfed instead of its LFP...

 

IT was not effectie hulldown when it  was first introduced.



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I quit the grind on tier 6 on TD's. buffing 8-9-10 wont make me want to play teir 6 any longer than i already did. WG pull your head out your bunghole and buff the lower tiers. they are utterly trash. there aimtime is pure aids, there platforms are terrible and nothing going for them. 6-7 need buffs or i simply wont touch them no matter how much you buff tier 8+.

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View Postfishbob101, on 23 June 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

Or remove its armour model entirely :trollface: 

 

No, because then we can't bounce either :trollface:

 

View Postbrumbarr, on 23 June 2017 - 09:33 PM, said:

IT was not effectie hulldown when it  was first introduced.

 

Ah right, I forgot about the E5 pre-hp model. Which makes me wonder, why did they buff the cupola in the hd-remodel? Maybe it's designed as that in the documents? I don't know, but since the American tier 7 and 8 HTs are specialized in hulldown, it would make more sense to have the tier 10 a hulldown tank aswell. If you look at other branches, even though the tanks advance in tiers they follow similiar playstyles. For instance, the 50B branch, IS-7 branch, IS-4 branch, they even modified the Maus branch.



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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 23 June 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

 

No, because then we can't bounce either :trollface:

 

 

Ah right, I forgot about the E5 pre-hp model. Which makes me wonder, why did they buff the cupola in the hd-remodel? Maybe it's designed as that in the documents? I don't know, but since the American tier 7 and 8 HTs are specialized in hulldown, it would make more sense to have the tier 10 a hulldown tank aswell. If you look at other branches, even though the tanks advance in tiers they follow similiar playstyles. For instance, the 50B branch, IS-7 branch, IS-4 branch, they even modified the Maus branch.

 

They said themselsfes it was a mistake.

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View Postcro001, on 22 June 2017 - 01:00 PM, said:

Why did they nerf the pen of AMX 30? Baffled.

 

View PostNiemandXL, on 22 June 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

 

Because low pen means people will spam more gold which means more money for WG.

 

Not sure it is getting it's penetration nerfed. Might just be getting AP rounds. The decreased shell velocity seems to hint this.

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When will these changes be implemented, will I be able to enjoy the BC for a while before it becomes useless?

 



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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 23 June 2017 - 11:14 PM, said:

When will these changes be implemented, will I be able to enjoy the BC for a while before it becomes useless?

 

9.20 , so in 2 patches, which at the current pace maybe in 2 months.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 24 June 2017 - 12:27 AM, said:

9.20 , so in 2 patches, which at the current pace maybe in 2 months.

 

is this for certain?

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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 24 June 2017 - 02:10 AM, said:

 

is this for certain?

No, Bc change is on supertest, everything can change.



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hey guys

after the nerf which one do you recommend? bc25t or amx 13 105??



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Swell.


Edited by Volfrahm, 24 June 2017 - 10:34 AM.


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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 23 June 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

 

AMX 30 B (СТ-10, Франция, прокачиваемый):
- Penetration с 260 до 248;
- DPM с 2741.9 на 3128.6;
- Reload time с 8.534 на 7.479;
- Shell velocity с 1525 на 1250;

- Accuracy с 0.288 на 0.326;
- Расширение круга разброса от повор. башни с 0.058 на 0.038;
- Расширение круга разброса от движения ходовой с 0.153 на 0.115:
- Расширение круга разброса от поворота ходовой с 0.153 на 0.115:
- Расширение круга разброса от повор. башни на макс. скор. с 2.19 на 1.46;
- Расширение круга разброса от движения на макс. скорости с 9.97 на 7.48;
- Расширение круга разброса от поворота на макс. скорости с 7.36 на 5.52

 

 

And now I have the grind the AMX 30B......

 

3.1k base DPM. Higher than any other tier 10 med no? Sub 6s reload for 390 alpha should be possible.  5.5s might be possible with improved equipment. 

Is that 0.04 turret dispersion. That is like the best in the game....

With 0.12, 0.12 movement dispersion which is pretty good better than every tier 10 med except the M48 Patton, T-62A and Obj 140. 

0.33 base accuracy which whilst nerfed, is still better than STB-1 and Patton. 

And turret armour with 300mm thick mantlet, though a crappy cupola does harm it a bit, but still better than the M48 turret which has the same cupola and gets penned in the turret front easily, and potentially on par with the Cent AX and STB-1.

Goes 65kph with 20 hp/ton

Has 410m view range.

 

RIP Cent AX, STB-1, Leopard 1, and M48 Patton. Some have accuracy and pen over it, the STB-1 basically has nothing over it bar 2 degrees of gun depression.

 

Holy Powercreep Batman

 

Should also be noted the AMX 30r easily becomes by far the best tier 9 med, good gun handling + turret armour + good penetration + high pen premium round + best in class DPM.

 

Has more DPM than the E50M, because reasons. 


Edited by tajj7, 24 June 2017 - 11:51 AM.


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View Posttajj7, on 24 June 2017 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

And now I have the grind the AMX 30B......

 

3.1k base DPM. Higher than any other tier 10 med no? Sub 6s reload for 390 alpha should be possible.  5.5s might be possible with improved equipment. 

Is that 0.04 turret dispersion. That is like the best in the game....

With 0.12, 0.12 movement dispersion which is pretty good better than every tier 10 med except the M48 Patton, T-62A and Obj 140. 

0.33 base accuracy which whilst nerfed, is still better than STB-1 and Patton. 

And turret armour with 300mm thick mantlet, though a crappy cupola does harm it a bit, but still better than the M48 turret which has the same cupola and gets penned in the turret front easily, and potentially on par with the Cent AX and STB-1.

Goes 65kph with 20 hp/ton

Has 410m view range.

 

RIP Cent AX, STB-1, Leopard 1, and M48 Patton. Some have accuracy and pen over it, the STB-1 basically has nothing over it bar 2 degrees of gun depression.

 

Holy Powercreep Batman

 

I already have one , hehe.

THe only drawback is 248 pen, but hello 340 HEAT :p

 



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View Postbrumbarr, on 24 June 2017 - 10:39 AM, said:

 

I already have one , hehe.

THe only drawback is 248 pen, but hello 340 HEAT :p

 

 

320, it's actually slightly lower than most other meds.

 

But yeh. 248 is TVP levels of pen so hardly terrible, also some people are speculating it might be AP because of the velocity change. 



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View Posttajj7, on 24 June 2017 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

And now I have the grind the AMX 30B......

 

3.1k base DPM. Higher than any other tier 10 med no? Sub 6s reload for 390 alpha should be possible.  5.5s might be possible with improved equipment. 

Is that 0.04 turret dispersion. That is like the best in the game....

With 0.12, 0.12 movement dispersion which is pretty good better than every tier 10 med except the M48 Patton, T-62A and Obj 140. 

0.33 base accuracy which whilst nerfed, is still better than STB-1 and Patton. 

And turret armour with 300mm thick mantlet, though a crappy cupola does harm it a bit, but still better than the M48 turret which has the same cupola and gets penned in the turret front easily, and potentially on par with the Cent AX and STB-1.

Goes 65kph with 20 hp/ton

Has 410m view range.

 

RIP Cent AX, STB-1, Leopard 1, and M48 Patton. Some have accuracy and pen over it, the STB-1 basically has nothing over it bar 2 degrees of gun depression.

 

Holy Powercreep Batman

 

Should also be noted the AMX 30r easily becomes by far the best tier 9 med, good gun handling + turret armour + good penetration + high pen premium round + best in class DPM.

 

Has more DPM than the E50M, because reasons. 

 

And you call this balance? You def WG, like some dogy dog. Its shame and OP crap, you will have new Type 5, or Maus to cry river. Murazor FTW, to kill game. 

Edited by ares354, 25 June 2017 - 08:46 AM.


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View Postares354, on 25 June 2017 - 08:46 AM, said:

 

And you call this balance? You def WG, like some dogy dog. Its shame and OP crap, you will have new Type 5, or Maus to cry river. Murazor FTW, to kill game. 

 

You're an idiot man, did you even read his post? 

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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 25 June 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

 

You're an idiot man, did you even read his post? 

 

Here is one, but there more where he has nothing against fake armor on tank that where BUILD!. 

So he is defending stupid murazor balance. In his own way. 




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