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ares354 #61 Posted 23 June 2017 - 02:35 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 23 June 2017 - 02:33 PM, said:

Cupola on both is being buffed to 100, which might make some of it more bouncey round he rounded parts. Same for both tanks and the 30 1er has a smaller cupola that is angled more so certainly could be a bit troll. 

 

Also roof is going from 30mm to 45mm, so only overmatchable by 150mm plus guns.

 

And gun mantlet on 30b is 300 thick at the flat parts and looks around 200 plus thick on the angled parts, which are currently like 120mm and like 155 effective, which basically means nothing will go through most of that turret. 

 

It'll be interesting to see what the dispersion/DPM changes are like but 30 1er rapidly looks like it could become the best tier 9 med. 

 

Fake armor ftw 

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Weak cuppolas and aimbots render all the tank armour obsolete.

 

If a tank has any weak spot that you cannot hide, makes no sense to tweak the armour value,you will be penned by aimbots no matter what.

 

Take the American line for example...



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View Postpecopad, on 23 June 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

Weak cuppolas and aimbots render all the tank armour obsolete.

 

If a tank has any weak spot that you cannot hide, makes no sense to tweak the armour value,you will be penned by aimbots no matter what.

 

Take the American line for example...

 

Sure, that why I bounced 10 shots of an E5 cupalo in my T62a...

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View Postares354, on 22 June 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

Armor change on Foch is joke. This tank was build!!!This td will have 10 mm less armor on side then JT, and its way faster then JT, have better hull armor. WTF WG, WTF u doing. Those TD never has auto"fuckin"loader. WG is writting history again, new one, by WG. 

Same goes for AMX 30, adding fake armor, FAKE [edited]armor....why

 

Im sorry but what are you on about? That tank is underpowered as hell, The weak armor results that it you just press 3 and shoot it where you like, its not too mobily as it was, it has no armor, and the gun is only good at mid to close range, as its inaccurate af. It needed a buff, altough, not this kind....

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View Postbrumbarr, on 23 June 2017 - 03:12 PM, said:

Sure, that why I bounced 10 shots of an E5 cupalo in my T62a...

 

The E5 cupola doesn't bounce, you bounced it because you didn't hit the cupola stright on ;)



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Can my british tanks get 300+ mantles that cover 90% of the front? you know? for err... historical reasons just like french? :trollface:

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CBA to translate about TD's, so here's a bit about meds.

 

AMX 30 1er prototype

- Penetration 260 to 248;
- DPM 2464.9 на 2804.9;
- Reload 9.493 на 8.342;
- Shell velocity 1525 на 1250;
- Accuracy 0.316 на 0.336;
- Aim circle turning turret с 0.192 на 0.115;
- Aim circle on the move с 0.153 на 0.134:
- Aim circle during traverse с 0.153 на 0.134;
- Same stuff on max speed с 8.44 на 5.06;
- Same stuff on max speed с 9.97 на 8.73;
- Same stuff on max speed с 5.52 на 4.83


AMX 30 B (СТ-10, Франция, прокачиваемый):
- Penetration с 260 до 248;
- DPM с 2741.9 на 3128.6;
- Reload time с 8.534 на 7.479;
- Shell velocity с 1525 на 1250;

- Accuracy с 0.288 на 0.326;
- Расширение круга разброса от повор. башни с 0.058 на 0.038;
- Расширение круга разброса от движения ходовой с 0.153 на 0.115:
- Расширение круга разброса от поворота ходовой с 0.153 на 0.115:
- Расширение круга разброса от повор. башни на макс. скор. с 2.19 на 1.46;
- Расширение круга разброса от движения на макс. скорости с 9.97 на 7.48;
- Расширение круга разброса от поворота на макс. скорости с 7.36 на 5.52

 



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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 23 June 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

- Accuracy с 0.288 на 0.326;

 

Yes WG, just what we need, even more RNG in this game :angry:



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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 23 June 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

 

The E5 cupola doesn't bounce, you bounced it because you didn't hit the cupola stright on ;)

 

so the cupola bounced then....

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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 23 June 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

CBA to translate about TD's, so here's a bit about meds.

 

AMX 30 1er prototype

- Penetration 260 to 248;
- DPM 2464.9 на 2804.9;
- Reload 9.493 на 8.342;
- Shell velocity 1525 на 1250;
- Accuracy 0.316 на 0.336;
- Aim circle turning turret с 0.192 на 0.115;
- Aim circle on the move с 0.153 на 0.134:
- Aim circle during traverse с 0.153 на 0.134;
- Same stuff on max speed с 8.44 на 5.06;
- Same stuff on max speed с 9.97 на 8.73;
- Same stuff on max speed с 5.52 на 4.83


AMX 30 B (СТ-10, Франция, прокачиваемый):
- Penetration с 260 до 248;
- DPM с 2741.9 на 3128.6;
- Reload time с 8.534 на 7.479;
- Shell velocity с 1525 на 1250;

- Accuracy с 0.288 на 0.326;
- Расширение круга разброса от повор. башни с 0.058 на 0.038;
- Расширение круга разброса от движения ходовой с 0.153 на 0.115:
- Расширение круга разброса от поворота ходовой с 0.153 на 0.115:
- Расширение круга разброса от повор. башни на макс. скор. с 2.19 на 1.46;
- Расширение круга разброса от движения на макс. скорости с 9.97 на 7.48;
- Расширение круга разброса от поворота на макс. скорости с 7.36 на 5.52

 

 

THat dpm and gun hadnlign combo is insane, this tank is goign to be very good if they keep it like that.

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View Postbrumbarr, on 23 June 2017 - 05:52 PM, said:

so the cupola bounced then....

 

Not because of it's armor, but because of accuracy rng ;)



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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 23 June 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

 

Not because of it's armor, but because of accuracy rng ;)

 

So if the cupola had 1mm of armor, I would also have bounced?

 

And acc rng is part of the game, so that has to be considered when evaluating armor.

 


Edited by brumbarr, 23 June 2017 - 06:22 PM.


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View Posttajj7, on 23 June 2017 - 11:07 AM, said:

 

 

DPM?

 

Expect the buffed 30B has 3100 base DPM so no.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 23 June 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

 

THat dpm and gun hadnlign combo is insane, this tank is goign to be very good if they keep it like that.

 

yeah, will imo get somewhat close to rasha meds performance, but still not even close to make it into cw and stuff. Simply good tonks to be spamming full heat in randoms with to pad wn8. Not even mad with those buffs, but it will powercreep leopard/121/stb/m48/e50m/cent quite a bit.

 

When it comes to the TD changes...

 

The problem of those tanks was completely potato gun handling and gun arcs, and that will not change, the tanks will continue being completely useless with such stats. And the t10 on top of it will be broken due to the retarded 6 shells.

 

On top of these changes they should make their upper plates immune to average prem shells on those tiers (mle 48 ~280 effective, foch and foch b ~ 340), which wouldnt be a problem since 35% of those tanks frontally are basically guaranteed pen weakspots that you cant hide at all. Lower the reload of the t8 to 30 from 34 while buffing aimtime/gun handling by 15-20%. Same on t9 foch - 30s reload and buff aimtime/dispersions by 20-25% and on the t10 remove 1 shot, give it 30s reload, 280 pen and buff dispersions by 20-25%. Then maybe those tds would be actually good.



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View Postleggasiini, on 23 June 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

Expect the buffed 30B has 3100 base DPM so no.

 

3128.6 to be precise

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View Postbrumbarr, on 23 June 2017 - 06:21 PM, said:

So if the cupola had 1mm of armor, I would also have bounced?

And acc rng is part of the game, so that has to be considered when evaluating armor.

 

No, because it would have been overmatched. But the actual armor on it right now won't be able to bounce any tier 10 guns that hit stright on. And that's kind of the problem, now we don't only have accuracy rng but also armor rng. Armor that you don't know if will bounce or not because it depends on if the shooter has good accuracy rng or not.



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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 23 June 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

 

No, because it would have been overmatched. But the actual armor on it right now won't be able to bounce any tier 10 guns that hit stright on. And that's kind of the problem, now we don't only have accuracy rng but also armor rng. Armor that you don't know if will bounce or not because it depends on if the shooter has good accuracy rng or not.

 

Thats not a problem. 

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 23 June 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

 

No, because it would have been overmatched. But the actual armor on it right now won't be able to bounce any tier 10 guns that hit stright on. And that's kind of the problem, now we don't only have accuracy rng but also armor rng. Armor that you don't know if will bounce or not because it depends on if the shooter has good accuracy rng or not.

This "problem" is the way most armor layouts actually work in this game.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 23 June 2017 - 06:52 PM, said:

Thats not a problem. 

 

It's not a problem? I can't speak for others, but when I peek, I want to know in advance if it's a good decision to peek or not. If I have a turret that can get penned, I won't peek unless it's safe. So how isn't it a problem to not know if your armor will work or not? 



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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 23 June 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:

 

It's not a problem? I can't speak for others, but when I peek, I want to know in advance if it's a good decision to peek or not. If I have a turret that can get penned, I won't peek unless it's safe. So how isn't it a problem to not know if your armor will work or not? 

 

This game is about risk management. Not about knowing it something is ging to work or not.

Risk management is one of the key aspects of a good player.  When I peek in an E5 I  dont expect to boucne, I expect to have a chanceto bounce, and that chance gives me the edge over a non hulldown player.

 

 

If I have a chance to bounce and a change the opponenet misses me, I wil ltake that peek, and when I amek that descission all the time, I will  have performed better than the plaeyr who didnt.

 


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