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Do you think the proposed changes are good or bad?

  1. It's a nerf, please WG do not do it, that loss of alpha and penetration are terrible (97 votes [68.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.31%

  2. It adds an extra shell to the clip, gives faster inter clip, and faster mag reload, I like it (13 votes [9.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.15%

  3. I do not own or regularly play a bat chat so I have no idea (10 votes [7.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.04%

  4. I will wait and see how it plays out (22 votes [15.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.49%

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arthurwellsley #1 Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:24 PM

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Presently as at 9.19

Damage: 390 / 390 / 480

Pen: 259 / 330 / 53
Clip reload speed: 38.6 s
Inter-clip reload speed: 2,73 s
Clip size: 5
Accuracy: 0,36
Aimtime: 2,59 s

36 rounds can be carried

Super test

Damage: 300 / 300 / 400
Pen: 252 / 278 / 50
Clip reload speed: 34 s
Inter-clip reload speed: 2,4 s
Clip size: 6
Accuracy: 0,36
Aimtime: 2,5 s



lafeel #2 Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:44 PM

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Given that supertest figures have in the past used the wrong gun on tanks with more than one gun to choose from, I'd hold my horses for now.

DorsVenabiIi #3 Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:51 PM

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I like how they propose nerfing the batchat while they leave the Czech menace tvp alone.   

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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 22 June 2017 - 05:51 PM, said:

I like how they propose nerfing the batchat while they leave the Czech menace tvp alone.   

 

It's not like tvp is huge, has 320 alpha, 0 armor and lowest APCR and HEAT pen on any tier X medium

Should be more like 

"I like how they propose nerfing the batchat while they leave Maus and Type 5 alone"

Edit: I know type gets "weakspots". I don't care. Take that dumbass derp gun away.

 


Edited by JuliusCheddar, 22 June 2017 - 05:56 PM.


DorsVenabiIi #5 Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:57 PM

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View PostJuliusCheddar, on 22 June 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

 

It's not like tvp is huge, has 320 alpha, 0 armor and lowest APCR and HEAT pen on any tier X medium

Should be more like 

"I like how they propose nerfing the batchat while they leave Maus and Type 5 alone"

 

 

with that interclip reload it might aswell have 1280 alpha. 

 Btw how certain are these changes, because if these will go through I'll stop grinding the batchat 25t ASAP. 


Edited by DorsVenabiIi, 22 June 2017 - 05:58 PM.


JuliusCheddar #6 Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:00 PM

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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 22 June 2017 - 05:57 PM, said:

 

with that interclip reload it might aswell have 1280 alpha. 

 

Yet it's hard to nerf because this inter clip reload is literally only thing it has



arthurwellsley #7 Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:01 PM

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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 22 June 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

 

with that interclip reload it might aswell have 1280 alpha. 

 Btw how certain are these changes, because if these will go through I'll stop grinding the batchat 25t ASAP. 

 

Super test, so if they get enough noise against it, they may row back from the bat chat change. I guess huge impact on the ESL/esport crowd who use bat chat alot

Balc0ra #8 Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:08 PM

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Not seen anywhere that the 105 has been removed. For all we know, they only showed the 100mm. As that's the gun they are "buffing", not the 105.

 

So to early to panic yet. As none of the leaks has said anything about the 105 getting removed, or even if it's still there.

 

And again... it's called super test for a reason. As in far from final.


Edited by Balc0ra, 22 June 2017 - 06:08 PM.


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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 22 June 2017 - 05:57 PM, said:

 

with that interclip reload it might aswell have 1280 alpha. 

 Btw how certain are these changes, because if these will go through I'll stop grinding the batchat 25t ASAP. 

 

Its obviously not the same, 1280 alpha needs 0s to be inflicted, 1 mistake an you are gone. You poke around teh corner a bit to much, 1290 HP gone, you sidescrape badly , 1280 hp gone.

But against a tvp: you expose yourself a bit too much, get back into cover only taking 1 or 2 hits.

You poke badly : take 320 dmg, you sidescapre badly: take 1 shot, correct your angle.

Big difference between  getting hit for 1280 in  0s or 1280 in 4.5s.



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 22 June 2017 - 06:01 PM, said:

 

Super test, so if they get enough noise against it, they may row back from the bat chat change. I guess huge impact on the ESL/esport crowd who use bat chat alot

 

I mean seriously why does WG mess with hallmark features of this game, batchat is probably one of the most interesting and dynamic tanks to have ever come out in this game, and most importantly while being so powerful it's still balanced, no need for nerfs!  

 

wargaming makes no sense, another example of such BS is that they want to remove snapshots, that's like CS go saying they'll disable headshots or whatever( I hate CS go...too slow reflexes), why remove hallmark features of your game that it's known for? 

 

I'll guess i have to grind the Czech TVP, *shivers*, [edited]that tank but I guess I have no choice but to play that OP menace, feels almost as bad as playing siege mode tanks, yuck. 

 

 



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View Postbrumbarr, on 22 June 2017 - 06:08 PM, said:

 

Its obviously not the same, 1280 alpha needs 0s to be inflicted, 1 mistake an you are gone. You poke around teh corner a bit to much, 1290 HP gone, you sidescrape badly , 1280 hp gone.

But against a tvp: you expose yourself a bit too much, get back into cover only taking 1 or 2 hits.

You poke badly : take 320 dmg, you sidescapre badly: take 1 shot, correct your angle.

Big difference between  getting hit for 1280 in  0s or 1280 in 4.5s.

 

Jesus, finally someone who understands this.

Also, you got 4 chances to get away from a TVP shot, each one reducing dmg you take. And tvp has lowish pen. Against 1280 alpha gun you have 50/50.


Edited by JuliusCheddar, 22 June 2017 - 06:13 PM.


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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 22 June 2017 - 06:10 PM, said:

 

I mean seriously why does WG mess with hallmark features of this game, batchat is probably one of the most interesting and dynamic tanks to have ever come out in this game, and most importantly while being so powerful it's still balanced, no need for nerfs!  

 

wargaming makes no sense, another example of such BS is that they want to remove snapshots, that's like CS go saying they'll disable headshots or whatever( I hate CS go...too slow reflexes), why remove hallmark features of your game that it's known for? 

 

I'll guess i have to grind the Czech TVP, *shivers*, [edited]that tank but I guess I have no choice but to play that OP menace, feels almost as bad as playing siege mode tanks, yuck. 

 

 

 

Do you actually think siege mode tanks are OP? Well that explains a lot.

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View Postbrumbarr, on 22 June 2017 - 06:08 PM, said:

 

Its obviously not the same, 1280 alpha needs 0s to be inflicted, 1 mistake an you are gone. You poke around teh corner a bit to much, 1290 HP gone, you sidescrape badly , 1280 hp gone.

But against a tvp: you expose yourself a bit too much, get back into cover only taking 1 or 2 hits.

You poke badly : take 320 dmg, you sidescapre badly: take 1 shot, correct your angle.

Big difference between  getting hit for 1280 in  0s or 1280 in 4.5s.

You cant seriously reason that TVP is balanced? It's gun is laser accurate, has excellent gunhandling with barely any aimtime. It's gun has 0 drawbacks unlike the batchats autoloader. You left click unload drive around a circle and repeat, mindless gameplay. 

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View PostJuliusCheddar, on 22 June 2017 - 06:11 PM, said:

 

Do you actually think siege mode tanks are OP? Well that explains a lot.

 

Not OP, but an idiotic class of tanks, they're basically like high alpha e-25's. 

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WG is screwing over the game. Nerfing tanks that don't need it, buffing tanks into oblivion. How much brain damage do these guys have, and who comes up with this stuff to begin with? It's not like there aren't any other issues that need to get priority.

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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 22 June 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

 

Not OP, but an idiotic class of tanks, they're basically like high alpha e-25's. 

 

400 is 2nd lowest alpha at tier X excluding LTs which are useless.

Also, e25 argument again, kappa. Another guy who doesn't understand difference between OP and broken.


Edited by JuliusCheddar, 22 June 2017 - 06:17 PM.


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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 22 June 2017 - 06:10 PM, said:

 

I mean seriously why does WG mess with hallmark features of this game, batchat is probably one of the most interesting and dynamic tanks to have ever come out in this game, and most importantly while being so powerful it's still balanced, no need for nerfs!

 

 

 

Well the AMX 1390 "nerf" ended up creating a way better tank than the old one so maybe wait and see.

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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 22 June 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

You cant seriously reason that TVP is balanced? It's gun is laser accurate, has excellent gunhandling with barely any aimtime. It's gun has 0 drawbacks unlike the batchats autoloader. You left click unload drive around a circle and repeat, mindless gameplay. 

 

First off, I never said they were balanced in that reply, I said you were wrong about what you wrote,and its gun isnt that great, its still worse than any russian med gun. It has aroudn the same handling as an STB1, which is known for bad handling.

It also has bad pen on both standard and premium rounds, which in the current meta is significant.

 

Second off , it is balance, if anything, a little UP with the current meta, its a paper target and it has bad pen  so cant deal with superheavys. Looking at the WR curves is performes worse accros the bord. 

Mindless gameplay? 

The TVP is prob one of the most skill intensive tier10 meds, togehter with the BC. Getting good consistent results requires a very good player.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 22 June 2017 - 06:39 PM, said:

 

First off, I never said they were balanced in that reply, I said you were wrong about what you wrote,and its gun isnt that great, its still worse than any russian med gun. It has aroudn the same handling as an STB1, which is known for bad handling.

It also has bad pen on both standard and premium rounds, which in the current meta is significant.

 

Second off , it is balance, if anything, a little UP with the current meta, its a paper target and it has bad pen  so cant deal with superheavys. Looking at the WR curves is performes worse accros the bord. 

Mindless gameplay? 

The TVP is prob one of the most skill intensive tier10 meds, togehter with the BC. Getting good consistent results requires a very good player.

 

Hmmm.... I will check into the stats further to see if this is true. 

 

But you have to admit, it's extremely annoying to get clipped by that thing, as soon as the first shot hits you think "It's a TVP, i'm fucked", it feels so relentlessly punishing, you could make the tiniest error which only last a few seconds and get almost completely destroyed. 

 

 

 



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View PostDorsVenabiIi, on 22 June 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

 

Hmmm.... I will check into the stats further to see if this is true. 

 

But you have to admit, it's extremely annoying to get clipped by that thing, as soon as the first shot hits you think "It's a TVP, i'm fucked", it feels so relentlessly punishing, you could make the tiniest error which only last a few seconds and get almost completely destroyed. 

 

 

 

 

It's absolutely devastating against big, 0 armor targets, like Leopards, 30bs, 50bs, and other tvps. Low pen + apcr wanky nature lead to situations when you yolo a m103 to clip it and then bounce 3 shots of its lower plate. I don't have tvp yet but I do own skoda t50 and gosh, that gun is annoying at times. 

 






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