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REMOVE derp gun from japanese heavies?

  1. yes, PLEASE! (126 votes [71.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 71.59%

  2. No.. i'm a nub.. I can only shoot derp (50 votes [28.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.41%

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redblast #1 Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:40 AM

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Hello guys, 

Is it just me or  it seems WG really doesn't know their own game?  I'm talking about the "nerf" of the japanese heavies

 

2. I'm wondering if WG knows what penetration have all the heavies at tier10 and how the  hell 260mm could a weakspot when the max penetration for heavies is capped at 258mm ..  This is a RNG .. roll the dice weakspot? wth guys?  are you serious?  And that's not even the worse part..  I almost i'm not angry that I have to use gold to get a frontal pen on type5 Heavy..

THE MOST ANNOYING AND Edited PART is that no matter how good you play your tank, and you angle it and use skill... TYPE5 will alwways  deal dmg  with that freaking HE skill ammo 500dmg.. no matter where it shoots you.. for that gun EVERY SPOT IT"S A WEAK SPOT!! .. 

 

 

I Don't talk about kv2, OI, FV183, they have their balance... I talk about Japanese heavies, type5 it has the stoopid broken armor without frontal weakspots with a poweful derp gun. It can peak around the corner shoot 600 dmg every 15 sec without aiming with the posibilty to bounce every shots incoming.... 

I heard drivers of Type5 complaining about getting shot with skill ammo.. but you can only deal dmg with skill ammo from the front.. and if you are lucky you still bounce tons of side armor if they shoot HEAT at it cuz it's spaced armor.. 

 

So let's say you driving a MAUS or E100 or any other tier 10 tank.. and at a corner you find a type5.  what do you do?  really let's say you can eventually kill him if he is an idiot but even is he is an idiot.. no matter where he shoots with skill ammo he will deal 600dmg EVERY SINGLE shot, while he has the HP pool and the armor to get alive from that encounter.  Even if you can kill it you will lose so ALOT of HP..  And don't give that flanking [edited]..  Try to flank on Himmelsdorf, Ensk, Stalingrad, Karkov,  Red Shire, Mines,  even on Camopinokva if they climb the hill..you cannot flank him and you are forced to shoot at his front..  there corridor maps and corridor parts of the map  gave an advantage for this tank. 

 

Again .. it's not only the gun.. it's the armor, the mobility, the lack of frontal weakspots, the corridor maps  all of this gave this tank a huge advantage. 

 

MY SOLUTION.. Give him frontal weakspots similar to other tanks one bigger one and one smaller one.. for ex.. E100 and MAUS both have lower plate and  turret cheeks as weakspots (turret with skill ammo). AND give him a gun with AP and HEAT with decent mobilty, aim time  and damage.. similar tu E100 or MAUS.. a gun that you will have to actually AIM and shoot at weakspots like every other player

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks. 

 


Edited by VMX, 11 August 2017 - 11:35 AM.


redblast #2 Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:57 AM

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Why WG just won't replace the derp gun with a decent gun pen+dmg .. something like VK 72.01 .. 700 dmg.. with 244 pen with AP / 320 pen skill ammo

Bora_BOOM #3 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:11 AM

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Why?

Income.



250swb #4 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:12 AM

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I think you could rightfully say the Type 5 players saw the advantage and took it, a clever response. It's worthy of being called skilful being able to look at the way tanks are buffed or nerfed and respond to it, instead of forever wanting the E5 to remain the OP top dog and stagnating the game in the process. Long live the Derp, may it continue to add variety!


Edited by 250swb, 23 June 2017 - 08:13 AM.


Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:12 AM

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SerB would say "shoot the cupola weakspot or play tetris, xaxaxaxaxa".
Tbh i don't know how many people they have in the balancing department. Nerfing arty then re-introducing the broken mechanic again...they would be fine if they had one type of HE shell and arty HE mechanics but a useful anti tank gun as alternative.

redblast #6 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:42 AM

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View Post250swb, on 23 June 2017 - 07:12 AM, said:

I think you could rightfully say the Type 5 players saw the advantage and took it, a clever response. It's worthy of being called skilful being able to look at the way tanks are buffed or nerfed and respond to it, instead of forever wanting the E5 to remain the OP top dog and stagnating the game in the process. Long live the Derp, may it continue to add variety!

 

DERP is nice as a fun gun at tier 5-9.. but when you need balance and make competitions, ESL, CW, Tournament, Ranked Battles that DERP gun in Type5 it's  plain retarded..and WG looking a money grabbing opportunity made skill ammo for the Type5 with double dmg..   THAT"S a "funck you" to the rest of the players ..that's the only havy in the game who can get more dmg by using skill ammo.. that's pay to win boys and gals..  and it's unfair and unbalanced to the rest of the players
 

View PostEnforcer1975, on 23 June 2017 - 07:12 AM, said:

SerB would say "shoot the cupola weakspot or play tetris, xaxaxaxaxa".
Tbh i don't know how many people they have in the balancing department. Nerfing arty then re-introducing the broken mechanic again...they would be fine if they had one type of HE shell and arty HE mechanics but a useful anti tank gun as alternative.

 

there is no weakspot on the cupola dude ..yeah.. imagine that..
 

japtank #7 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:49 AM

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I currently only play the type 4 and my derp DPM is lower than a tier VI.

Good hit on a Maus is 400, low hit is less than 200.

With 24 seconds reload and lolastic accuracy...

 

Not too sure type 5 will be more fun to play.

Atm, type 4 is dreary.



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View Postredblast, on 23 June 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

 

DERP is nice as a fun gun at tier 5-9.. but when you need balance and make competitions, ESL, CW, Tournament, Ranked Battles that DERP gun in Type5 it's  plain retarded..and WG looking a money grabbing opportunity made skill ammo for the Type5 with double dmg..   THAT"S a "funck you" to the rest of the players ..that's the only havy in the game who can get more dmg by using skill ammo.. that's pay to win boys and gals..  and it's unfair and unbalanced to the rest of the players

 

It's only unfair to the rest of the players if for some reason WG have banned them from getting their own Type 5. Maybe I'm out of my mind, but if I detect a tank that seems to have an advantage in a role then I say to myself 'I want one', not 'I want it nerfed'. Do people really go through life wanting only the worse for others just so they don't need to be bothered doing the best for themselves?

 

(and I don't even have a Type 5)


Edited by 250swb, 23 June 2017 - 08:56 AM.


Tarix819 #9 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:58 AM

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View Postredblast, on 23 June 2017 - 06:40 AM, said:

 

 

1.OI-exp and OI didn't need any balancing .. they were doing something different in the game one with crap armor and good gun.. and the other one with  good armor and crap derp gun.. and it  was ok..why change it? well I don';t play at tier 5-6.. so I really don't care.. 

 

 

 

Firstly, Derp for Tier IX/X is not ok but for tier V/VI is? No, O-I with the derp is just if not more broken than the Tier IX and X, since it is basically a KV-2 with more armour and HP, which is ridiculous.

 

I'm not saying the Tier IX/X should have Derp (I voted yes) I am just saying the O-I should have its derp removed as well or get its armour nerfed or something.

 

And O-I Exp. is arguably the most broken tank in the line, it needed heavy balancing. I'm glad they removed that 10cm gun because it was completely OP for Tier V. And the armour wasn't too bad either which meant it was pretty much good at everything.


Edited by Tarix819, 23 June 2017 - 09:02 AM.


redblast #10 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:00 AM

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View Post250swb, on 23 June 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

 

It's only unfair to the rest of the players if for some reason WG have banned them from getting their own Type 5. Maybe I'm out of my mind, but if I detect a tank that seems to have an advantage in a role then I say to myself 'I want one', not 'I want it nerfed'. Do people really go through life wanting only the worse for others just so they don't need to be bothered doing the best for themselves?

 

(and I don't even have a Type 5)

 

I don't want it NERFED! I want them to REMOVE the DERP guns from tiers that matters and who can participate in organized battles..  Just give them a good DPM high pen, high dmg gun.. but ALSO include the possibility that you can bounce some shots using skill, armor, luck!?  Give them a gun like  VK72.01 with more than average pen and dmg ...
 

View PostTarix819, on 23 June 2017 - 07:58 AM, said:

 

Firstly, Derp for Tier IX/X is not ok but for tier V/VI is? No, O-I with the derp is just if not more broken than the Tier IX and X, since it is basically a KV-2 with more armour and HP, which is ridiculous.

 

And O-I Exp. is arguably the most broken tank in the line, it needed heavy balancing. I'm glad they removed that 10cm gun because it was completely OP for Tier V. And the armour wasn't too bad either which meant it was pretty much good at everything.

 

To be honest I don't play, grind, at tier5-6.. so I don't really care.. and I'm honest AF.  the last time I played at that  tier I was called a cheater for penning OI in the turret with Chaffe
 

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View Postredblast, on 23 June 2017 - 08:02 AM, said:

 

To be honest I don't play, grind, at tier5-6.. so I don't really care.. and I'm honest AF.  the last time I played at that  tier I was called a cheater for penning OI in the turret with Chaffe

 

Fair enough but I'm just putting it out there.

Suurpolskija #12 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:09 AM

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I agree derp don't belong to high tier heavies. O-Ho should be the last one to get it and after that it's only normal guns. I don't really care if they give it "300pen ap" or what ever, at least you'd still have to like AIM it.

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View Postjaptank, on 23 June 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

I currently only play the type 4 and my derp DPM is lower than a tier VI.

Good hit on a Maus is 400, low hit is less than 200.

With 24 seconds reload and lolastic accuracy...

 

Not too sure type 5 will be more fun to play.

Atm, type 4 is dreary.

with type5 you will get more bounces and deal 500-600 dmg with every shot .. but you have to use skill ammo .. without skill ammo.. just 200-300

 

View PostSuurpolskija, on 23 June 2017 - 08:09 AM, said:

I agree derp don't belong to high tier heavies. O-Ho should be the last one to get it and after that it's only normal guns. I don't really care if they give it "300pen ap" or what ever, at least you'd still have to like AIM it.

 


 

Edited by VMX, 11 August 2017 - 11:57 AM.


Bora_BOOM #14 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:14 AM

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View Postredblast, on 23 June 2017 - 08:11 AM, said:

 

FIFY.



leggasiini #15 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:33 AM

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O-I is just not tier 6 material with the armor and derp gun (both historical), it should be tier 7. O-Ho should be last derping jap heavy and it should have much getter non derp option.

 

For Types, derp should be gone but give proper buffs to 14cm (259 / 302 pen, bit more DPM and accuracy).

 

Also biased poll is biased.


Edited by leggasiini, 23 June 2017 - 09:35 AM.


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View Postleggasiini, on 23 June 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

O-I is just not tier 6 material with the armor and derp gun (both historical), it should be tier 7. O-Ho should be last derping jap heavy and it should have much getter non derp option.

 

For Types, derp should be gone but give proper buffs to 14cm (259 / 302 pen, bit more DPM and accuracy).

 

Also biased poll is biased.

 14cm (259 / 302 pen, bit more DPM and accuracy).- I like how this sounds.. Again..  Please buff and give them guns.. that you actually have to AIM and look for weakspots. 

As for  OI.. I saw it as a challenge when I was tier6..  but played  few battles with/against it to form an opionion.. When I farmed XP With OI.. I really hated that derp gun on OI..

 

View Postleggasiini, on 23 June 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

Also biased poll is biased.

 

Biased like guns spitting skill ammo to deal double dmg (than regular ammo) anywhere you hit the enemy tank?


 

Edited by VMX, 11 August 2017 - 11:58 AM.


Squirting_Elephant #17 Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:27 AM

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There are much worse things than these heavies. Look at Churchill tier 7 with 88.9 frontal and turret armor while also having 148pen. The tier6 heavy variant has 20km/h capped speed on top of it. Now THAT is imbalanced.

Look at AT7 20km/h capped speed... Useless in this meta.

And some medium tanks that facetank a JT frontally and kill the JT... Kidding me right?

 

type 4&5 imo can keep their DERPS. And yes that's how DERP's work. They get crap accuracy and reload times in return for (almost) guaranteed damage. If that sounds too OP to you for tier  9&10, then perhaps suggest to remove them entirely from the game then because on tier 5, 6, 7, 8 they are just as good for their tier.

 

Btw, ISU152 > Type4&5 heavy for it's tier. It shoots 750 alpha at tier 6 tanks. with up to 300+ pen. So again, there are much worse imbalances in the game than this (and it also has a DERP bullet).


Edited by Squirting_Elephant, 23 June 2017 - 10:35 AM.


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View PostSquirting_Elephant, on 23 June 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

Btw, ISU152 > Type4&5 heavy for it's tier. It shoots 750 alpha at tier 6 tanks. with up to 300+ pen. So again, there are much worse imbalances in the game than this (and it also has a DERP bullet).

ISU still fires AP and not HE and even with stupidly high pen you sometimes have to actually aim and you cant damage tanks at autobounce angles if you are shooting armor plates that are 50mm thick or more. Also ISU is bit different man, LITERALLY only thing it has going for is gun, Type 5 also has HP, armor and turret.



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View Postleggasiini, on 23 June 2017 - 11:38 AM, said:

ISU still fires AP and not HE and even with stupidly high pen you sometimes have to actually aim and you cant damage tanks at autobounce angles if you are shooting armor plates that are 50mm thick or more. Also ISU is bit different man, LITERALLY only thing it has going for is gun, Type 5 also has HP, armor and turret.

 

Finally! 

 

You should stop ussing logic and facts like that... you will be hated by most guys here and 100% of the nubs. 

 



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Well, I wish more would simple do as me: Not buy any gold, not renewing premium. 

It's the only language any company understands.

The only thing is, when playing this game I feel bad becasue I am wasting time I could have spent doing something useful.

But without premium time, this feeling seems to double or triple - so I end up just stop playing.

 

Oh well, it's summer. So many other things to do.







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