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SneakyWoolCloth #1 Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:48 PM

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After 500 battles in the new and "improved" match making engine, here are the results. (no pref mm tank driven)

Platoon 250 matches. Average tier 7,48

Top tier 3,2%
Middle tier 21,6%
Bottom tier 66%
Same tier 9,2%
Average tier +1,33

Tier 8 platoon games only (premium heaven) 103 matches
Top tier 1%
Middle tier 6,8%
Bottom tier 77,7%
Same tier 14,6%
Average tier +1,45

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Single 250 matches, average tier 7,64

Top tier 24,5%
Mid tier 30%
Bottom tier 41,5%
Same tier 4%
Average tier +0,98

Tier 8 single games only (premium heaven) 68 matches 

Top tier 6,6%
Mid tier 21,3%
Bottom tier 67,2%
Same tier 4,9%
Average tier +1,33

Conclusion: Dont get friends, dont be social, dont buy tier 8 premiums, you will be punished for it. Sorry WG but your digging your own grave

Shivva #2 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:03 PM

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Yip, totally agree platooning has been punished since 9.19. Although good chance this will get locked as there are loads of other threads about it. Nice to see someone actually gathering data though. I done similar but over a smaller sample and results were pretty much the same.

Edited by Shivva, 23 June 2017 - 08:04 PM.


CmdRatScabies #3 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:05 PM

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View PostSneakyWoolCloth, on 23 June 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

Conclusion: Dont get friends, dont be social, dont buy tier 8 premiums, you will be punished for it. Sorry WG but your digging your own grave

 

Do you have the last 500 games pre MM changes to compare it to?

HaZardeur #4 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:09 PM

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InB4 "too small sample" WG white knights.

CoDiGGo #5 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:16 PM

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Ye, platoon is broken to stupid limits because permabottom

 

They hit cw, sh, fast rising powercreep, now platoons, they nerf e5 and buff Maus same patch... thats irony...they are not very smart.

 

 


Edited by CoDiGGo, 23 June 2017 - 08:19 PM.


Hedgehog1963 #6 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:20 PM

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View PostSneakyWoolCloth, on 23 June 2017 - 06:48 PM, said:

After 500 battles in the new and "improved" match making engine, here are the results. (no pref mm tank driven)

Platoon 250 matches. Average tier 7,48

Top tier 3,2%
Middle tier 21,6%
Bottom tier 66%
Same tier 9,2%
Average tier +1,33

Tier 8 platoon games only (premium heaven) 103 matches
Top tier 1%
Middle tier 6,8%
Bottom tier 77,7%
Same tier 14,6%
Average tier +1,45

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Single 250 matches, average tier 7,64

Top tier 24,5%
Mid tier 30%
Bottom tier 41,5%
Same tier 4%
Average tier +0,98

Tier 8 single games only (premium heaven) 68 matches 

Top tier 6,6%
Mid tier 21,3%
Bottom tier 67,2%
Same tier 4,9%
Average tier +1,33

Conclusion: Dont get friends, dont be social, dont buy tier 8 premiums, you will be punished for it. Sorry WG but your digging your own grave

 

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SneakyWoolCloth #7 Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:44 PM

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 23 June 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

 

Do you have the last 500 games pre MM changes to compare it to?

 

No i dont, did not feel that i was bottom tier all the time so i never tought of it.

Balc0ra #8 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:00 PM

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Well a test results is only valid if you can repeat it. As your stats differ from my experience with the new MM.

Moulie #9 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:24 PM

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I know people actually get to play top tier in games since 9.19. I know this because i see them sitting there, at the top of the team list, while i reside two tiers below them. I don't play every day so i don't have a huge sample size to look at but I know for certain i have not been top tier (as in the 3 in the 3-5-7) in well over 3 weeks. The best i had was a mid tier in my E-75 but i was expecting to see some super tester in a tier 11 tank just for that match. It is just not fun. Knowing that every time you hit battle you will be bottom tier and because you only play 5 or 6 games in a session that will probably never change. The you get fed up and leave it longer between firing up WoT. Eventually the short cut will just be moved to the 'crap' folder of unused stuff on the desk top....not fun.

Dr_ownape #10 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:28 PM

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GG nice to see a decent amount of games to prove those naysayers

Isharial #11 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:36 PM

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View PostSneakyWoolCloth, on 23 June 2017 - 08:44 PM, said:

 

No i dont, did not feel that i was bottom tier all the time so i never tought of it.

 

that's one thing that most took for granted... there will be someone out there with that kind of data most likely..

but if you had some done, and it showed a substantial difference, you really would have a much better argument


 

most can see T8 MM is done, and WG can probably see it too, HOWEVER, in the current state of MM, it does mean that the more "OP" superheavies, cant actually overperform

in a way, its saved them a rebalance of those tanks, saved their hide on the Chrysler and defender, and makes people spam more gold in T8 tanks

win win for WG



Dr_ownape #12 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:43 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 23 June 2017 - 08:00 PM, said:

Well a test results is only valid if you can repeat it. As your stats differ from my experience with the new MM.

 

Seriously?

 

If you toon you know 9/10 you will be bottom tier. I can't believe you are trying to say otherwise.



Slyspy #13 Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:57 PM

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With a 3-5-7 format as the favoured pattern then it is logical that most players will be bottom tier most of the time, middle tier some of the time and top tier rather less than that. Add toons into the mix and it is equally logical that they are more likely to be put into the more populous bracket. Whether this is entirely intentional I couldn't say (a number of people complain about toons being unfair to solo players) but it is rather typical of WG to change things with unforeseen and undesirable results.

Isharial #14 Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:03 PM

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View PostDrownape, on 23 June 2017 - 09:43 PM, said:

 

Seriously?

 

If you toon you know 9/10 you will be bottom tier. I can't believe you are trying to say otherwise.

 

 I kind of agree with balcora tbh, I see some games where I am bottom tier, but quite a few games ive platooned in, have been T8 full, or T9, which is easily good enough to play against and perform well , doesn't seem too much of a problem


 

 



SneakyWoolCloth #15 Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:18 PM

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View PostSlyspy, on 23 June 2017 - 09:57 PM, said:

With a 3-5-7 format as the favoured pattern then it is logical that most players will be bottom tier most of the time, middle tier some of the time and top tier rather less than that. Add toons into the mix and it is equally logical that they are more likely to be put into the more populous bracket. Whether this is entirely intentional I couldn't say (a number of people complain about toons being unfair to solo players) but it is rather typical of WG to change things with unforeseen and undesirable results.

 

I have never been in a platoon in a match were there was not a platoon on the other team.... so i cant see how it is unfair to any team. I dont care if i am soloing and there is a platoon on the other side, i havent even given it a tought. WG should enqurage ppl to be social in their game.

Edited by SneakyWoolCloth, 23 June 2017 - 10:30 PM.


SneakyWoolCloth #16 Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:27 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 23 June 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

Well a test results is only valid if you can repeat it. As your stats differ from my experience with the new MM.

 

I can repete it, but i cant go back in time and do it on another patch. I have tried to ceep the tiers around 6-8 witch i think is the most played tiers, how it is on lower tiers i dont know. Your last 30 days of playing is tier 5,98, it might be different there.

SneakyWoolCloth #17 Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:29 PM

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To all you lovely people out there, this isent a comparrasing to the MM that was before, this is just a statistic on the new MM... witch i think is broken....

vidde12321 #18 Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:33 PM

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This isn't the first time I say this and it sure as hell isn't going to be the last.

The matchmaking pattern requires a very specific player distribution by tier in order to grant everyone the desired matchmaking (i.e 33% chance to end up in a given match-up, disregarding one- and zero spread). Approximately, starting from tier 4, there has to be only half as many in the next tier as there is in the current tier. However, the matchmaker actually looks like this: https://wot-life.com/eu/serverstats/ (grey curve). This is the reason as to why you don't get top tier as often as you end up at the bottom. Now, the reason you don't end up as top tier when you in a platoon is because the chances of getting one in six top tier spots is  quite high, however when you platoon with two others it's one out of two, the number you are seeing. (Numbers not exact, need more sample size)

 

TL;DR player distribution and regular statistics are not in your favor.


Edited by vidde12321, 23 June 2017 - 10:34 PM.


Achibot #19 Posted 23 June 2017 - 10:37 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 23 June 2017 - 08:00 PM, said:

Well a test results is only valid if you can repeat it. As your stats differ from my experience with the new MM.

 

Your stats suggest the vast majority of your recent games have been below Tier 8, which is the only tier that is really crippled at the moment. I have a smaller sample than SWC, probably because I don't play as much, but my numbers match his almost exactly. Or at least they did, I've stopped playing tier 8 entirely now. All of the other tiers seem to have a reasonable distribution, at least in solo play.

 

View PostIsharial, on 23 June 2017 - 09:03 PM, said:

 I kind of agree with balcora tbh, I see some games where I am bottom tier, but quite a few games ive platooned in, have been T8 full, or T9, which is easily good enough to play against and perform well , doesn't seem too much of a problem

 

Might have been the case in 9.18 but it's actually quite rare to get single tier games since they changed the templating in 9.19.


Edited by Achibot, 23 June 2017 - 10:39 PM.


SneakyWoolCloth #20 Posted 23 June 2017 - 11:03 PM

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Just had 2 matches in tier 8, bottom tier hehe. Last match 3 Type 5 heavys VS obj 140, Stb 1 and a BC hahaha, guess who won. Well worst thing is WG not balancing heavys on each side, espesial with the smal smal smal corridor maps they are puking out.




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