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Megahard #1 Posted 23 June 2017 - 11:09 PM

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I'm playing T25 Pilot 1 a lot lately and I don't mind fighting a tier x match now and then.... but 5 [edited]times in a row????? Seriously I forgot how a [edited]OI looks like since it's been 200000 years since the last time I saw a tier 8 max match with some tier 6 and 7 tanks.

​Currently average day in WoT looks like this. 3-4 tier x matches in a row, then a tier 9 + tier 8 match, after that a full tier 8 match..... and if you get lucky you might get a tier 9 match with some tier 7s, or if you really really pray to Jesus, Budah and Batman hard enough you might get a match where you are a top tier tank and get to farm some tier 6s.

 

Tier X is now even more cancerous because of Mauses and Type 5's... and T25 Pilot 1 can't just load HEAT and spam it at them. Like I said I don't mind fighting tier x tanks... but lately I would go as far as to say that up to 70% of matches I play in T25 are a tier x match. Oh yeah and T25 has a tier 7 gun. Fun, fun, fun.

 

Sure doing good in a tier X match brings a crapton of xp and credits but god damn it I don't want to be bottom tier 70% of the time. And when you aren't at the bottom let's say some tier 8 only match then you get to fight Libertes, Patriots, Defenders and so on.

​Sure you still get matches where you are the top tier tank... but currently getting a tier 6-8 match feels like winning a lottery. 33% bottom tier, 33% mid tier, 33% high tier is that so much to ask? [edited]it I would gladly take 50% of the time bottom tier, 25% mid tier, 25% high tier. Currently it feels like 70% of the time I'm bottom tier, 20% mid tier and 10% high tier.

 

I mean what can somebody in Tiger 2 do against Maus or Type 5... Some tier 8 tanks are currently unplayable. It must be fun to play 3-5 tier x matches in a row in a craptank like Tiger 2. Not to mention that now arties are focusing tier 8 and 9 meds and lights because they can't do any damage to tier x heavies. So they go for ˝softer˝ targets because some tier x heavies literally don't care if arty hits them for like 100-200 damage. I also play tier 9 BC and I can confirm that you can drive Maus  in the open totally not using cover and arty won't be able to seriously damage you. Some tier x tanks are now arty - proof so arties go for tier 8 tanks. It's always fun to get focused by a tier x arty in a T25 Pilot.

 

So I repeat I have nothing against playing tier x matches in a tier 8 tank but god damn it not 5 times in a row.

 

 

 


Edited by Megahard, 23 June 2017 - 11:15 PM.


Enforcer1975 #2 Posted 23 June 2017 - 11:17 PM

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I might "sound" like a broken record but a lot of players already mentioned this before and the tip was to not play tier 8 for the time being.

Megahard #3 Posted 23 June 2017 - 11:28 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 23 June 2017 - 11:17 PM, said:

I might "sound" like a broken record but a lot of players already mentioned this before and the tip was to not play tier 8 for the time being.

 

​Until when? A year from now? Judging by the way WG ˝fixes˝ broken things it will take them 2 years to rebalance the mm and it will take them another year to nerf super heavies. Yes I saw a lot of Youtubers like SirCircon, Shishx and others said that they avoid playing tier 8 currently.... but for how long? It's summer which means WG programmers are all on vacation at least until later summer, early autumn so nothing will improve at least until winter.

 

Soon I will get AMX 50 100... a tier 8. I can also get an OHO... a tier 8... I also have Tiger 2 researched but I'm not touching that pile of s**t. BC12t is also researched I just need to buy it... but it's tier 8 again...  


​So as of now I literally can't play tier 8 tanks to to progress those lines to tier 9 tanks. Unless I want to lose my mind playing stock tier 8's in a tier 10 matches over and over again.

 

 


Edited by Megahard, 23 June 2017 - 11:34 PM.


Balc0ra #4 Posted 23 June 2017 - 11:41 PM

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It's 3 tier X's. It's not like your T25 has to fight all 3 of them alone is it? I mean it's mobile enough to relocate to a part of the map to find the other 12 targets you can pen. And what is your medium doing if you are on the Type 5 and Maus line? Unless your HT's can't do their job that is.

 

I mean the new MM has it's flaws. Unless you think it's better to be top or mid tier more if you don't mind the tier X battles vs 10 tier X, and you are the only tier 8.  As I'll take the tier X games vs a few tier X's. Vs the pure tier 8 games full of VK 100.01 and Defenders you can't pen either of late.



Megahard #5 Posted 23 June 2017 - 11:54 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 23 June 2017 - 11:41 PM, said:

It's 3 tier X's. It's not like your T25 has to fight all 3 of them alone is it? I mean it's mobile enough to relocate to a part of the map to find the other 12 targets you can pen. And what is your medium doing if you are on the Type 5 and Maus line? Unless your HT's can't do their job that is.

 

I mean the new MM has it's flaws. Unless you think it's better to be top or mid tier more if you don't mind the tier X battles vs 10 tier X, and you are the only tier 8.  As I'll take the tier X games vs a few tier X's. Vs the pure tier 8 games full of VK 100.01 and Defenders you can't pen either of late.

 

​Tier x tanks aren't the problem.... being bottom tier 5 games in a row is. And then as a ˝reward˝ you get a full tier 8 match. As I said I know how to fight tier X tanks with a tier 8 med that's not the problem. Problem is that it would be fair to at least somehow prevent mm from putting you as a bottom tier 5 times in a row. It gets frustrating after a while especially in paper tanks like AMX CDCs, T25s where you get punished hard for even the slightest mistake.

 

I don't want to be ˝hunted˝ 5 games in a row. I don't want to play defensive and as a support 5 games in a row. Sometimes I want to play a game where people are running away from me. Where I can push them, where I can lead my team and so on. It gets really boring to play as a support and spotter for tier 9 and 10 tanks 5 or more times in a row every day.

 




Edited by Megahard, 23 June 2017 - 11:58 PM.


lord_chipmonk #6 Posted 23 June 2017 - 11:58 PM

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Genuinely I've not noticed this and I've been playing a lot of tier 8 lately...

NiemandXL #7 Posted 24 June 2017 - 08:49 AM

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 24 June 2017 - 12:58 AM, said:

Genuinely I've not noticed this and I've been playing a lot of tier 8 lately...

 

I did. It's gotten so bad that when seeing I have to "only" fight against tier 9's for once I feel lucky. 70-80% of my games when playing a tier 8 are against tier X tanks.

 

I'm close to the third MoE on the T71 so I've been playing that tank a few times each season and the matchmaking that tier 7 tank gets is soooooo much better than what I have to suffer through when playing a tier 8.



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Start making notes and you'll see your tank will be tip tier in about 1/4 of matches, if you don't platoon.

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Well less people plays tier 8 because OP premiums... Similar feelings when i tried to play tier 8. 6/8 battles tier 10 battles. I'm not gointo play tier 8 that often if those P2W premiums are not balanced. Why play if you cant pen... WG focked up this really well! I have solution wg, just consult me if you want balance your tanks. 

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View Postiztok, on 24 June 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

Start making notes and you'll see your tank will be tip tier in about 1/4 of matches, if you don't platoon.

 

I'll try to make some notes next time I play and report back. 

 

View PostHiisi, on 24 June 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

Well less people plays tier 8 because OP premiums... Similar feelings when i tried to play tier 8. 6/8 battles tier 10 battles. I'm not gointo play tier 8 that often if those P2W premiums are not balanced. Why play if you cant pen... WG focked up this really well! I have solution wg, just consult me if you want balance your tanks. 

 

And thus we are back to the circular reasoning. Nobody plays tier 8 because of OP premiums, thus tier 8s often in tier 10 matches. But, then surely the OP premiums (the only tanks left because nobody is playing anything else of course) would suddenly be facing tier 10s all the time, which would dissuade people from playing them, 



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View PostNiemandXL, on 24 June 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

 

I did. It's gotten so bad that when seeing I have to "only" fight against tier 9's for once I feel lucky. 70-80% of my games when playing a tier 8 are against tier X tanks.

 

I'm close to the third MoE on the T71 so I've been playing that tank a few times each season and the matchmaking that tier 7 tank gets is soooooo much better than what I have to suffer through when playing a tier 8.

 

In theory tier 7 MM should be amazing atm. Because every time a tier 10 tank clicks 'battle' 8 tier 8 tanks are sucked out of the MM pretty much setting them up for bottom tier most of the time as people are experiencing. Consequently the lack of tier 8 tanks compared to 6s and 5s should mean tier 7s are top tier way more often than usual. Probably the thing to be doing is playing alot of tier 7 tanks and switching to EU1 and playing tier 8 during the 'Ranked battle' window when alot of tier 10s are playing each other.

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 23 June 2017 - 11:58 PM, said:

Genuinely I've not noticed this and I've been playing a lot of tier 8 lately...

You will notice something sooner or later, but... honestly... I don't have too much of a problem with it since we have the new MM. The tVIII MM sucked before and I fear that this will last for a long time, but with the new MM I find it quite bearable. 

People should complain about the gamebalance instead...


Edited by Jigabachi, 24 June 2017 - 10:42 AM.


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View PostJigabachi, on 24 June 2017 - 09:41 AM, said:

You will notice something sooner or later, but... honestly... I don't have too much of a problem with it since we have the new MM. The tVIII MM sucked before and I fear that this will last for a long time, but with the new MM I find it quite bearable. 

People should complain about the gamebalance instead...

 

I think, to be fair, people are complaining about everything at the moment. WG have royally messed up tier 8 though.



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View Postjuicyfruity, on 24 June 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

I think, to be fair, people are complaining about everything at the moment. WG have royally messed up tier 8 though.

True. 

Let me rephrase it: People should complain MORE about the balance, as it's a major reason why playing tVIII (and many other tiers or tanks) is so frustrating now.



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View PostJigabachi, on 24 June 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

True. 

Let me rephrase it: People should complain MORE about the balance, as it's a major reason why playing tVIII (and many other tiers or tanks) is so frustrating now.

 

One could argue that the disproportioned amount of games as bottom tier vs games as top tier is a balancing issue^^

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Yeah i have noticed the same thats why i stoped playing my tier 8s. And have noticed that tier 7s are good now. Hey could get a tier 7 prem now :D

gpalsson #17 Posted 24 June 2017 - 12:47 PM

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template system (before taking # of tanks / tier in to account) makes sure you only get -2 MM more than 1/14 of the time. So it's not surprising at all.

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I abstained to comment on this topic until now because I thought I was missing something. Still can't understand. What's wrong with the new MM for tier 8s ? 

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View PostEtre_, on 24 June 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

I abstained to comment on this topic until now because I thought I was missing something. Still can't understand. What's wrong with the new MM for tier 8s ? 

 

They meet tier 10 alot more than they used to and have a chance of meeting tier 6s or even other tier 8s as low as 5 %.

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View PostEtre_, on 24 June 2017 - 01:51 PM, said:

What's wrong with the new MM for tier 8s ? 

 

What is wrong is that your chance to meet tier 6 tanks seems to be around 5% at best while your chance to meet tier X tanks is around 70-80% when playing a tier 8. Those numbers, even considering the template system, should be way closer to each other.




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