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Search_Warrant #1 Posted 24 June 2017 - 06:05 PM

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But why dont they complain about reliable 750 damage HEAT spamming E100? who has literally 950 HE damage as well! and has a faster reload than Type4 and 5? and a faster reload to boot! armor you can angle on the hull. same weakspot with turret face.

 

I really dont understand the complaitns when E100 is literally a better Derp user and can reliably slam you for 750?

 

Im playing my Type 4 right now and E100 just rolls up to me. slams me with HEAT and im dead with less than 1k damage done. im a free farm. i angled and wiggle and nothing worked. so please. shut the hell up about Type4/5 gun.


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E100 still needs to avoid hitting tracks, hit at non-autobounce nagles and it cant slam a hulldown Kranvagn through turret and do 500 or even higher to it.

 

Type 5 actually has exactly the same reload time as E 100 but has 1400 alpha HE instead of 950. E 100 does 750 with HEAT instead of 450 - 600 but again, it actually has to aim and penetrate and it doesnt do module damage.

 

E 100's armor is also worse than Type 5's because it has a LFP weakspot and Type 5 is generally angleable.

 

Using Type 4 and Type 5 in same sentence is wrong becuase Type 4 is miles (both the tank and the gun itself, Type 4 has much worse gun handling and reload on way worse platform), miles worse than its tier 10 counterpart, also comparing it to E 100 is wrong because E 100 is one tier higher...you are not supposed to beat E100 with tier 9 heavy


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Isharial #3 Posted 24 June 2017 - 06:16 PM

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there is a small difference between the 2 however.. type4/5 derp has more potential alpha, as well a gold round which increases that alpha.. and that's why people don't like it very much

the gun firing HE isn't the problem, its the sheer alpha of it and the gold round



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View PostIsharial, on 24 June 2017 - 07:16 PM, said:

there is a small difference between the 2 however.. type4/5 derp has more potential alpha, as well a gold round which increases that alpha.. and that's why people don't like it very much

the gun firing HE isn't the problem, its the sheer alpha of it and the gold round

 

^this too, big reason why people whine about the derp gun is not the fact its a derp gun but the fact the gold HE is literally P2W shell



TankkiPoju #5 Posted 24 June 2017 - 06:20 PM

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People are not complaining about Type 4/5 derp guns because they are derp guns.

 

People are complaining because there is literally zero reason to shoot regular ammo with those derp guns. There is no downside to using premium ammo whatsoever.

 

EDIT: Weow a lot of people said the same thing before me :)


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View Postleggasiini, on 24 June 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

E100 still needs to avoid hitting tracks, hit at non-autobounce nagles and it cant slam a hulldown Kranvagn through turret and do 500 or even higher to it.

 

Type 5 actually has exactly the same reload time as E 100 but has 1400 alpha HE instead of 950. E 100 does 750 with HEAT instead of 450 - 600 but again, it actually has to aim and penetrate and it doesnt do module damage.

 

E 100's armor is also worse than Type 5's because it has a LFP weakspot and Type 5 is generally angleable.

 

Using Type 4 and Type 5 in same sentence is wrong becuase Type 4 is miles (both the tank and the gun itself, Type 4 has much worse gun handling and reload on way worse platform), miles worse than its tier 10 counterpart, also comparing it to E 100 is wrong because E 100 is one tier higher...you are not supposed to beat E100 with tier 9 heavy

 

My Type4 just shot flat side of a skorpionG. gold shell. 600 damage. u havin a laugh... that would work with overpen HEAT.

 

Edit: did you just say i cna angle my Edited TYPE4 HEAVY TANK? ARE U JOKING? u know about them 200mm cheeks right? im talking mainly type 4 here.


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HaZardeur #7 Posted 24 June 2017 - 06:23 PM

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Because e100 has weakspots would be one reason.

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View PostHaZardeur, on 24 June 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:

Because e100 has weakspots would be one reason.

 

go play Type 4 and ur whole tank is a weak spot to tier 8 spamming gold. with some aim on the cheeks of Type4 you dont need gold at tier 8. hell i penned cupola of Type 4 with a god dam EMIL1 standard 217 APCR.

 

edit: i need to cool down. im boiling with rage. just got facehugged and got slammed with E100 constantly with HEAT and highrolls me every time. felt useless. id rather play defender in tier 10 than this sack of Edited Type4.

 

Best part was he pen me twice wiggling with AP alone.


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Because even against very high penetration shells you can still attempt to bait a shot into your tracks or some auto-bounce part of your tank. Someone with a derp gun doesn't give a Edited  about auto-bounce angles and will happily derp the first pixel of your tank that leaves cover, taking away hundreds of hit points in the process. It's supremely simplified gameplay that was okay in low tiers because nobody gives a Edited  about low tiers, but has no place in high tiers. The fact there's a flat out better HE round available for more credits adds insult to injury as it basically adds a p2w component.

The UK Deathstars have a similar problem although everything about those things apart from alpha is utter trash so they're less problematic.


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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 24 June 2017 - 06:24 PM, said:

 

go play Type 4 and ur whole tank is a weak spot to tier 8 spamming gold. with some aim on the cheeks of Type4 you dont need gold at tier 8. hell i penned cupola of Type 4 with a god dam EMIL1 standard 217 APCR.

 

edit: i need to cool down. im boiling with rage. just got facehugged and got slammed with E100 constantly with HEAT and highrolls me every time. felt useless. id rather play defender in tier 10 than this sack of Edited Type4.

 

Best part was he pen me twice wiggling with AP alone.

He was a tier 10 , you a tier9, if you where in the type5 , would have been a whole different story.

I engaged a type5 once with an e100, bigg mistake, he can hitt me while perfectly angled and sidescraping for 500+ dmg while i need to aim carefully and still bounce half my heat shells. [edited]that tank is Edited  and that got my blood boiling as well!


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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 24 June 2017 - 06:05 PM, said:

But why dont they complain about reliable 750 damage HEAT spamming E100? who has literally 950 HE damage as well! and has a faster reload than Type4 and 5? and a faster reload to boot! armor you can angle on the hull. same weakspot with turret face.

 

I really dont understand the complaitns when E100 is literally a better Derp user and can reliably slam you for 750?

 

Im playing my Type 4 right now and E100 just rolls up to me. slams me with HEAT and im dead with less than 1k damage done. im a free farm. i angled and wiggle and nothing worked. so please. shut the hell up about Type4/5 gun.

 

 

Because you have to aim. ;)



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 24 June 2017 - 06:24 PM, said:

 

go play Type 4 and ur whole tank is a weak spot to tier 8 spamming gold. with some aim on the cheeks of Type4 you dont need gold at tier 8. hell i penned cupola of Type 4 with a god dam EMIL1 standard 217 APCR.

 

edit: i need to cool down. im boiling with rage. just got facehugged and got slammed with E100 constantly with HEAT and highrolls me every time. felt useless. id rather play defender in tier 10 than this sack of crap Type4.

 

Best part was he pen me twice wiggling with AP alone.

 

Type 4 is different story slow and easy target for everyone with gold ammo or you are terrible in type 4 and you rush alone to the enemy.

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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 24 June 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

 

Edit: did you just say i cna angle my f**** TYPE4 HEAVY TANK? ARE U JOKING? u know about them 200mm cheeks right? im talking mainly type 4 here.

Type 5, not Type 4. I NEVER said  that Type 4 is angleable, I said that Type 5 is angleable. I referred only to Type 5 in that sentence.

 

Dude, I am more than perfectly aware of Type 4's cheeks and it prevents the tank from angling at all other than angling the front from corners which only helps against preventing AP shells penning you. Type 4 has weak cheeks. Type 5 doesnt have weak cheeks. They are 2 completely different tanks. Type 5 got overbuffed, Type 4 didnt, other than getting the derp gun like Type 5 which got however shafted with arty-like gun stats. And if you factor the fact that Type 5 was already better before both of them got buffed (mostly due to the fact it didnt have completely horrible gun stats with 14cm, aswell as 2,9k HP which meant it had atleast something to use when it got gold spammed; not saying that pre-buff Type 5 was good either, both Types were trash before 9.17.1), so yeah.


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Because that derp gun has stupidly good bloom values. That's the first thing that surprised me, forget KV-2 or O-I, this thing can snap shots much faster and hit them way more reliable.

Next thing is you don't need to aim. You can hit the slightest part of a tank and still do 450 damage minimum. DPM doesn't matter, you just drive back into cover and repeat what you did before, the stupidest way of getting damage. Even prem ammo you can account for, angle, go hull down or bait it but that HE will strip you from a sizable chunk of your HP whatever you do.

 

It's highly annoying to face as at range where you can dodge shells you'll struggle to pen even with gold but at close range you'll get punished over and over again. Just downright stupid, I had 10k damage game in a Type 5 while derping around without even playing serious. Any other tank would require me to be on top of my game, Type 5 was just stupidly easy.



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You must be an incredibly smart player to notice that there is totally nothing wrong with jap anime bottanks. 

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The Type 5 is already a plague against other tier 10s, dont even think about hwat this monster does to tier 9 or even tier 8 tanks.

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The jap line has Edited this game far more than any prems. By far the most stupid thing war gaming has done and that is saying a lot. 

 

Do every wonder why all tanks are either cast made or interlocking and welded . Its simple riveted tanks fell apart  when fired  at with.303 rifle rounds, yet in WG they are built like little battleships. They are fantasy tanks.


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This thread is so dumb

You gotta be one of these guys thinking premium ammo autopens everything. 



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 24 June 2017 - 06:21 PM, said:

 

My Type4 just shot flat side of a skorpionG. gold shell. 600 damage. u havin a laugh... that would work with overpen HEAT.

 

Edit: did you just say i cna angle my Edited  TYPE4 HEAVY TANK? ARE U JOKING? u know about them 200mm cheeks right? im talking mainly type 4 here.

 

If you didnt pen the side of a skorp you probably hit spaced or tracks. in that case heat would probably do 0 damage instead.

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