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SenpaiErick #1 Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:13 AM

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Shivvering #2 Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:16 AM

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If you want your message to reach QB, posting on his YouTube channel or emailing him seem like a more likely route to the wot forums...

SenpaiErick #3 Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:17 AM

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Did that as well, but want to make sure people are aware of this scam.

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Well if someone wants to pay me to play WOT I'm quite happy to do it.

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Stevie_Ray_Vaughan #5 Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:23 AM

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I will happily take offers from people to ruin their stats and NOT get their reward tanks for them, PM me :)

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Shnuks #6 Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:28 AM

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View Postsignal11th, on 28 June 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

Well if someone wants to pay me to play WOT I'm quite happy to do it.

 

Already tried that, but nobody would pay me the 200€ per hour.

Unkel_Dolan #7 Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:29 AM

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View PostSenpaiErick, on 28 June 2017 - 10:17 AM, said:

Did that as well, but want to make sure people are aware of this scam.

 

it's not a scam if one person pays for a service and the other person delivers it. account sharing is also not forbidden. I've already sold 2 accounts and I got paid to grind someone else's account a couple times, what's the issue?

TungstenHitman #8 Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:44 AM

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View PostSenpaiErick, on 28 June 2017 - 09:17 AM, said:

Did that as well, but want to make sure people are aware of this scam.

 

How is it a scam? 

 

In this example, some player wants a tank he can't attain himself so he pays a service to do so and the service successfully delivers. The service also delivers through means of skill and in this example, a little luck which such rounds need. It wasn't auto-aim or featuring anything sinister, just pure skill and a little luck that was paid for.. so where is the scam? If the guy didn't get his reward tank it's a scam.

 

All you are doing here is showcasing how good this service is tbh.. I wonder who the player really was this "hired gun" so to speak, gj!

 

View PostRenamedUser_500212111, on 28 June 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

 

I've already sold 2 accounts and I got paid to grind someone else's account a couple times, what's the issue?

 

 

Selling accounts is an entirely different matter and is, as far as I know, forbidden. This doesn't mean I agree, disagree with it or even care but I'm pretty sure selling accounts is forbidden


 

Unkel_Dolan #9 Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:00 AM

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 28 June 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

 

 

Selling accounts is an entirely different matter and is, as far as I know, forbidden. This doesn't mean I agree, disagree with it or even care but I'm pretty sure selling accounts is forbidden

 

I don't think it can even be forbidden in the EU. I'm sure WG tries to discourage it as much as possible, because it's better if a noob gives them 500 euros to fail his way to a few tier 10s than if said noob gives 100 euros to another player to free grind these tier 10s. but I doubt they can forbid it, not to mention they couldn't prove it was sold

Emeraldweed #10 Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:00 AM

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View PostRenamedUser_500212111, on 28 June 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

 

it's not a scam if one person pays for a service and the other person delivers it. account sharing is also not forbidden. I've already sold 2 accounts and I got paid to grind someone else's account a couple times, what's the issue?

The issue is that WG owns the account not him- you. WG ''rents'' the right to the one who signs up and noone else



Unkel_Dolan #11 Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:01 AM

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View PostEmeraldweed, on 28 June 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

The issue is that WG owns the account not him- you. WG ''rents'' the right to the one who signs up and noone else

 

it's just a technicality, it doesn't really change anything. so ok, I didn't sell the account, I sold the right to use it, same difference for the end user

Emeraldweed #12 Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:09 AM

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View PostRenamedUser_500212111, on 28 June 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

 

it's just a technicality, it doesn't really change anything. so ok, I didn't sell the account, I sold the right to use it, same difference for the end user

 

If i rent a car to you it doesnt mean that you can rent the car to another guy, its against the law and forbidden, same with this it's against the EULA and terms for service therefore bannable

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Since QB uploaded it he probably thinks this guy had a genuine game.

To me it looks like someone else was playing it. So what? It could be his friend, could be his mom. You'll never know.



Unkel_Dolan #14 Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:15 AM

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View PostEmeraldweed, on 28 June 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

If i rent a car to you it doesnt mean that you can rent the car to another guy, its against the law and forbidden, same with this it's against the EULA and terms for service therefore bannable

 

a country's law is one thing, a videogame EULA is a totally different thing. and again, it's not like they can prove it was sold anyway. and sharing accounts isn't forbidden

Zoltan1251 #15 Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:17 AM

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View PostEmeraldweed, on 28 June 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

If i rent a car to you it doesnt mean that you can rent the car to another guy, its against the law and forbidden, same with this it's against the EULA and terms for service therefore bannable

 

i dont see any issue with pay-to-grind.... its in realm of grey economy but very well in line with the law.... "selling" account is forbidden on the other hand... but that is not enforceable and WG knows it... if they can prove it they will ban you but frankly, how do you want to prove that account was sold?????

Mimos_A #16 Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:18 AM

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View PostRenamedUser_500212111, on 28 June 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

 

a country's law is one thing, a videogame EULA is a totally different thing. and again, it's not like they can prove it was sold anyway. and sharing accounts isn't forbidden

 

To me this sentence in the EULA can pretty easily be interpreted to mean account sharing and selling is forbidden.

 

  • (d) 'non-transferable' (meaning that the licence is only for your benefit and you may not transfer or sub-licence any of the rights that we grant to you to any other person); and


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View PostMimos_A, on 28 June 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

 

To me this sentence in the EULA can pretty easily be interpreted to mean account sharing and selling is forbidden.

 

  • (d) 'non-transferable' (meaning that the licence is only for your benefit and you may not transfer or sub-licence any of the rights that we grant to you to any other person); and

 

yeah, most of the EULA and game rules are kept purposefully vague so that they can do anything they like, like changing a non offensive nickname because they don't like it. but if/when it gets to more serious things, it will conflict with actual EU laws, and these take over any poorly worded EULA

 

like this good joke:

1.04. Wargaming.net may suspend, terminate, modify, or delete accounts at any time for any reason or for no reason, with or without notice to the owner of the account.


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Mimos_A #18 Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:32 AM

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View PostRenamedUser_500212111, on 28 June 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

 

yeah, most of the EULA and game rules are kept purposefully vague so that they can do anything they like, like changing a non offensive nickname because they don't like it. but if/when it gets to more serious things, it will conflict with actual EU laws, and these take over any poorly worded EULA

 

How will it conflict with EU law? You as a person have a non-transferable right to use your account, to which you agree by agreeing with the EULA and terms of service... It's not even vague. I highly doubt any of that conflicts with EU law, it's pretty much the standard in a lot of software licenses.

Edited by Mimos_A, 28 June 2017 - 11:33 AM.


Zoltan1251 #19 Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:34 AM

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View PostMimos_A, on 28 June 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

 

To me this sentence in the EULA can pretty easily be interpreted to mean account sharing and selling is forbidden.

 

  • (d) 'non-transferable' (meaning that the licence is only for your benefit and you may not transfer or sub-licence any of the rights that we grant to you to any other person); and

 

again, you cannot prove it... but more to the point is that its not breaking fun for anyone, WG is benefiting from another player playing the game who wouldnt be playing otherwise and its increasing traffic in their game..... turning a blind eye to account transfer is a win-win situation

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View PostMimos_A, on 28 June 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

 

How will it conflict with EU law? You as a person have a non-transferable right to use your account, to which you agree by agreeing with teh EULA and terms of service... It's not even vague. I highly doubt any of that conflicts with EU law, it's pretty much the standard in a lot of software licenses.

 

in my country if I buy anything, I'm allowed to resell it anytime I feel like it, be it a pair of used shoes or a videogame account. game companies put [edited]like this in their EULAs to scare customers, but it has no meaning. it's like stores that put up a "no returns" sign even though the actual laws states that you can return things within a certain amount of time.




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