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Witboer #21 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:26 PM

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I agree with Tripplea. Playing a lot of battles in a T8 against T10's is not right. To say the playing field is equal is rubbish. To argument that one can determine which opponents to face beforehand is tripe. All T10's do not move to one flank, another, lower Tier, to the middle and the lowest Tiers to the opposite flank. How can I choose my opposing Tier if I am  the last remainingT8 and the opposite team has a T10 tank remaining. How can we have stats if we do not compare apples with apples? I have bought several premium tanks and premium time (every month), but now it is a terrible experience to play match after match at the bottom of the food chain. I have no gain in advancing my exchange. It is frustrating and causes one to start looking at other games and stop investing time and money in WOT. As Quick Baby, Mighty Jingles and others have explored Armored battle, maybe me and my friends should be doing the same. No more premium buys from me from now on. I would rather see a situation where only two tiers are involved in a battle.

 



SlyMeerkat #22 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:29 PM

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Nice

Gkirmathal #23 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:32 PM

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View PostElAtaque, on 28 June 2017 - 02:36 PM, said:

Wow, that escaleted quickly...

 

In a little more than two days you gathered eleven (!) pages of mostly negative feedback on 3-5-7 (in here: http://forum.worldof...ns-and-answers/ ).

And today you start your sermon with the following statement:

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Reading the hundreds of pages of discussion and feedback on the improved matchmaker convinced us that the template-based algorithm does its job of balancing the speed of matching versus the quality of matches. Every 3/5/7 battle at the top of the list makes you a key player on the team, giving you a real opportunity to lead the team to victory, which is equal parts difficult and rewarding. [...] Finally, many of you reported that gameplay on a number of maps has changed, bringing an extra thrill to the process and with it—a chance to rediscover familiar locations, devising new tactics.

The 3/5/7 template serves its purpose of allowing every tanker to contribute in battle. You always get comparable opposition, regardless of whether you’re placed at the top, middle, or bottom of the list. Remember the less-than-desirable scenario of playing Tier VIII and getting matched against Tier X? Now think how it feels in the game as it stands today.  [...]

 

It is blatantly obvious that you still give a damn about any feedback given in here, because the above mentioned statement (aka "News" of today) is little more but a pre-approved and long prepared article on MM after 9.18, praising your improvements. So much for your statement on Tankfest 2017, stating that "you understood" and would try to improve communication with players...

 

Props well said and well worth a full re quote!!

 

This indeed escalated quickly...I don't know how they read though all those pages upon pages of negative feedback and completely FAILED to address that feedback! ...maybe they had some napkins with creon and slime rubbed all over their faces and thus couldn't see the communities outcry.

 

The block quote shows us how a total PR disaster this company has become, spewing more and more nonsense as time goes on, desperate wipe clean the bad image they themselves are creating. Too bad I am not attending the Mil show in Twente (The Netherlands) would have been fun to have been able to pull some WG-rep legs...


Edited by Gkirmathal, 28 June 2017 - 04:42 PM.


GreenViking #24 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:33 PM

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I quite like the 3-5-7 match making but I do think some tweaking is needed

  • New Tank - It is not necessarily great to be one of 3 top tier in a 3-5-7 MM when you have a new tank that may have stock equipment and less than 100% crew. Would prefer if I got a same tier game.
  • Missions - I know that you are aware of this but the light and medium missions requiring 3 arty kills are nearly impossible
  • Tier 8 - As there are so many tier 8 premiums I would add a weighting to give more same tier battles at tier 8


gunner8731 #25 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:38 PM

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View PostApocalypseSquad, on 28 June 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

Looks like I am the only one who doesn't care where I am in the tier order either.  Are there really that many people unable to enjoy the game unless they are stomping over weaker tanks?

 

i think it is a case of mini ego syndrome :teethhappy:

Edited by gunner8731, 28 June 2017 - 04:39 PM.


IKerensky #26 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:44 PM

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"we’ll be building on the balance by vehicle types to remove the difference in vehicle classes from the factors that might give one side an edge over the other"

 

Whatever they mean by that sound omnious... 



Elefantas #27 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:45 PM

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Hope u limited the amount of lights.

Game with 7 lights is not a game it's

tier 1 noobfest.


Edited by Elefantas, 28 June 2017 - 04:48 PM.


brisha #28 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:46 PM

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Didn't you just start a thread like this a couple of days ago WG? Didn't you like the answers in that one and hoping this one will suit you better? Well it won't, nothings changed in a couple of days, the MM still sucks and until the new patch and see what you have done then no amount of threads will change our minds regarding the current MM.

SM1AK #29 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:51 PM

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The 3/5/7 template serves its purpose of allowing every tanker to contribute in battle. You always get comparable opposition, regardless of whether you’re placed at the top, middle, or bottom of the list. Remember the less-than-desirable scenario of playing Tier VIII and getting matched against Tier X? Now think how it feels in the game as it stands today.

 

ARE YOU Edited KIDDING!!!! EVERY Edited  GAME IS AN LESS-THAN-DESIRABLE WHEN YOU'RE ALL WAYS BOTTOM TIER!!!! THE MM BEFORE 9.18 WAS BETTER COMPARED TO THIS 9.19 PIECE OF Edited !!!

When you read all those hundred pages of feedback did you had them filtered out of all negative comments?! Then next time write that you read all the ten pages!


Edited by Asklepi0s, 29 June 2017 - 01:00 PM.
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domnulrazvan #30 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:51 PM

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Wg... Fix the god damn tier 8. It s not fair to be 9/ 10 games... In tier 10 battles

kntsd #31 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:52 PM

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This makes your blood pressure rise  "Reading the hundreds of pages of discussion and feedback on the improved matchmaker convinced us that the template-based algorithm does its job of balancing the speed of matching versus the quality of matches. Every 3/5/7 battle at the top of the list makes you a key player on the team, giving you a real opportunity to lead the team to victory, which is equal parts difficult and rewarding."

 

Dear Mr. Community you are just a PR emplyer and  you do what WG sad.Prove me wrong and please answer me some questions if you dont mind ? (im 100% pozitive that you will not answer because you dont play this game)

 

1.Can we see hundreds of  pages  of pozitive feedback, because all  i read on forums in negative feedback and how people complain about mm in 9.19 comparing to 9.18 ? ( at least a few pages of pozitive commets would be fine)

2.Have you ever played  a tier 8 medium or heavy  (T44,T44-100,IS-6,M4 REV,FV4002.....and so on premium tank),Have you ever even noticed that at least 70 % of games you are bottom tier im tier 6,7,8 ?​ -but you can change the course of the battle with t44 in a tier 10 MM 70% of the games you play-totaly agree with that.

3.Have you ever noticed tier 8,9,10 when one team have to face 8 heavies vs 4 heavies in a city map or any other ?​ this is the happy scenario

4.Have you ever noticed games where enemy team have all the armor on tanks like E100,Maus,Type 5 and you have IS-7 and support heavies like T57 heavy or AMX 50 B and yo start the game with 4000 hp minus and no armor ?

...and the list goes on

 

Thanks for future answers 

 

Signed:

​A humble World of tanks Player

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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MattTheMiz #32 Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:54 PM

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fix the t8 matchmaking! stop that load of Edited, being bottom 19/20 is boring and frustrating

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wolfman292 #33 Posted 28 June 2017 - 05:04 PM

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Until this pathetic mess of the current 3/5/7 mm is well and truly sorted all my tier 8 MT's are staying in the garage. How the hell is anyone in a tier 8 MT supposed to do anything in a Tier 10 game absolute pathetic rubbish.

As for that useless statement about the MM from WG not worth the effort to type it, all the negative feed back they got was probably never even read because it's a Wargaming product and we know what is best for the community so we don't need to read your comments. Almost like saying if you don't like it sod off.



battleofbacon #34 Posted 28 June 2017 - 05:11 PM

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Who ask that questions?

Why doesn't EU server have the ability to make questions to DEVELOPERS like it was few years ago?

 

 

PR lies PR lairs PR lies PR lairs PR lies PR lairs PR lies PR lairs = WG


Edited by battleofbacon, 28 June 2017 - 05:14 PM.


Bucifel #35 Posted 28 June 2017 - 05:12 PM

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fix the gold ammo and the lack of weakpoints and a lot of balance problems will simply disappear ! ;)

zzzero #36 Posted 28 June 2017 - 05:12 PM

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Good,

Now, @WG how about you turn your attention on ammunition balancing, armor balancing and instead of bringing premium tanks fix the ones already available? K, thx.



crs_tzep #37 Posted 28 June 2017 - 05:20 PM

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Abouth the MM

 

1. put the default 5-10 template as default  and  then 1 tier lineup and then 3-5-7

 

2. equal number of hevys and meds (separate assalt td from paper td)

 

3.put weak spots on OP hevys ... what is my dicker max going to do to Crysler?

 

 

do this first and let's see how it is , then if it's not good we will  see


Edited by crs_tzep, 28 June 2017 - 05:42 PM.


sacuka #38 Posted 28 June 2017 - 05:21 PM

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Too many battles with Tier8 against Ttier 9,10!Fix it already,because its not fun and remove gold ammo from credits for Pete sakes!I hate stupid people who cant shoot a weakspot and uses gold ammo everytime they cant pen me!All skilled players gets rekt by idiots using gold ammo everytime!Like the good old days gold ammo for gold THE END!

Edited by sacuka, 28 June 2017 - 05:33 PM.


iM_Rayan_GR #39 Posted 28 June 2017 - 05:24 PM

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again and again and again Edited. If you dont ballance players the MM is FAIL

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Cobra6 #40 Posted 28 June 2017 - 05:28 PM

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Lets see...

 

As long as this new MM does not equalise the amount of heavies and mediums on both teams to a +1/-1 deviation, it will already decide the outcome of the battle beforehand as it is now.

 

If you spawn on Sand River and your team has mostly mediums, you'll stand a much better chance of winning

If you spawn on Himmelsdorf and your team has mostly heavies, you'll stand a much better chance of winning

 

Heavies and mediums are *NOT* equal tanks even though the MM considers them to be so. This is bad especially if the map favours a certain class.

 

The MM doesn't need to make an exact copy of the team list but it needs to at least balance out heavy armour properly so both teams get some.

 

Cobra 6


Edited by Cobra6, 28 June 2017 - 05:32 PM.





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