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NikoTheMan #1 Posted 29 June 2017 - 08:35 AM

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Did you guys notice in past month that there is so many ding`s on Bat`s?In just 1 day i had 12 ding`s in 12 diffrent games on them and in some games i had 3-5 ding`s on same tanks...Few days ago i had in 1 game where i have recived this info when i hit them : Critical hit!!No penetration,no damage ??!!

Also can some one explayn to me how can Bat Chat load his full clip in to PZ heavy tank tier 10 at full speed from 400m distance and penetrate every single?When i try that my granates hits some one on other map...



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Nothing has changed. Check tanks.gg for armour profile. With great sloping comes autobounce angles.

 

Also, like always, replay pls.


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View PostNikoTheMan, on 29 June 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

Did you guys notice in past month that there is so many ding`s on Bat`s?In just 1 day i had 12 ding`s in 12 diffrent games on them and in some games i had 3-5 ding`s on same tanks...Few days ago i had in 1 game where i have recived this info when i hit them : Critical hit!!No penetration,no damage ??!!

 

 

Stop shooting HEAT at them.

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Yeah you ding more, I believe there was an article on Armoured Patrol or Rita's blog where they uncovered changes to the penetration drop-ff for a lot of guns that weren't in the patch notes. Let me find the source, I might be wrong here.

 

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Bounced 3 shells from a 50B yesterday with my turret for a total of 1200 blocked damage. Also got ricochet from E50M (side of turret) and Bat-Chat (not sure where it hit) in the same game.

 

It's got some useful angled armour plates



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View PostHomer_J, on 29 June 2017 - 09:04 AM, said:

 

Stop shooting HEAT at them.

 

I wasn`t using HEAT,only APCR and AP ,and btw 1 it was right in front of me like 5m or so and i was aiming above tracks on flat panel armor ,same thing =critical hit!!

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It is "dings" or "bats", respectively.

Do not rape such an easy language.

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You probably hit the tracks. Really hate how much protection those things give you. I shot a 13 90 flat in the side at 50ish m yesterday...it tracked him. How much side armor does that thing have against 201 pen AP...? Really annoying.

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 29 June 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

You probably hit the tracks. Really hate how much protection those things give you. I shot a 13 90 flat in the side at 50ish m yesterday...it tracked him. How much side armor does that thing have against 201 pen AP...? Really annoying.

 

What I love the most are shots which hit flat on the side, say 'critical', and don't do damage or even track light tank or BC. 

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View PostNikoTheMan, on 29 June 2017 - 09:46 AM, said:

 

I wasn`t using HEAT,only APCR and AP ,and btw 1 it was right in front of me like 5m or so and i was aiming above tracks on flat panel armor ,same thing =critical hit!!

 

Really, well since you couldn't be bothered with a replay I went with the most obvious reason.

 

But if you want to go and upload that replay then you might get a proper explanation.



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View PostHomer_J, on 29 June 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

 

Really, well since you couldn't be bothered with a replay I went with the most obvious reason.

 

But if you want to go and upload that replay then you might get a proper explanation.

 

My point what I wanted here is to see das other people have same problems with dings on low armor tanks,coz i have heard about some ilegal mods or hacks who when u turn them ON 3-5 hits on you will be only critical or just ding in a row...So when i googled that to is it true ..well can be for a price...like so many other things (turn off RNG and stuff i have never heard before)..

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View PostNikoTheMan, on 29 June 2017 - 12:21 PM, said:

 

My point what I wanted here is to see das other people have same problems with dings on low armor tanks,coz i have heard about some ilegal mods or hacks who when u turn them ON 3-5 hits on you will be only critical or just ding in a row...So when i googled that to is it true ..well can be for a price...like so many other things (turn off RNG and stuff i have never heard before)..

 

Mods like that are impossible, you can not change the gamemechanics, that is all serverside.

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View Postbrumbarr, on 29 June 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

Mods like that are impossible, you can not change the gamemechanics, that is all serverside.

 

Very few things in online gaming are impossible. The way WoT works, yes calculations are made serverside, but I think the values for the calculations are sent from the client.

 

Turret rotation and bloom also should be impossible to hack, but I've been shot from tanks that were not with the gun facing me, and there are replays online... so

 

Anything is possible


Edited by pecopad, 29 June 2017 - 12:37 PM.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 29 June 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

 

Mods like that are impossible, you can not change the gamemechanics, that is all serverside.

 

I have a friend from old clan who said to me that his paying 180Eu for that kind of cheats (or he did) and that he uses that in random every day (btw he got baned for his nick name not hacks) and he also said that on those VIP hacks u have protection from being baned !!I belive him that he uses that coz he sucks badly as a player,but when he loads his sh11ts he never comes out from game under 3-4k damage and 4-6 kills no matter if he goes in the midle of the 5 tanks or he just snipe from 400m and never miss a shot...

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View PostNikoTheMan, on 29 June 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

 

I have a friend from old clan who said to me that his paying 180Eu for that kind of cheats (or he did) and that he uses that in random every day (btw he got baned for his nick name not hacks) and he also said that on those VIP hacks u have protection from being baned !!I belive him that he uses that coz he sucks badly as a player,but when he loads his sh11ts he never comes out from game under 3-4k damage and 4-6 kills no matter if he goes in the midle of the 5 tanks or he just snipe from 400m and never miss a shot...

 

HE is lying or he uses something else.

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View Postpecopad, on 29 June 2017 - 12:35 PM, said:

 

Very few things in online gaming are impossible. The way WoT works, yes calculations are made serverside, but I think the values for the calculations are sent from the client.

 

Turret rotation and bloom also should be impossible to hack, but I've been shot from tanks that were not with the gun facing me, and there are replays online... so

 

Anything is possible

 

No, the server always check the values he gets sent, you can NOT manipulate the server. The game runs on the server and no mods or hacks can change that.

 

And shot from tanks facing you are easy to explain: they ARE facing you on the serverside game but your client lost the information or lagged behind which cause you not to see where he was actually aiming.


Edited by brumbarr, 29 June 2017 - 01:04 PM.


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View PostNikoTheMan, on 29 June 2017 - 07:35 AM, said:

Did you guys notice in past month that there is so many ding`s on Bat`s?In just 1 day i had 12 ding`s in 12 diffrent games on them and in some games i had 3-5 ding`s on same tanks...Few days ago i had in 1 game where i have recived this info when i hit them : Critical hit!!No penetration,no damage ??!!

Also can some one explayn to me how can Bat Chat load his full clip in to PZ heavy tank tier 10 at full speed from 400m distance and penetrate every single?When i try that my granates hits some one on other map...

 



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View Postpecopad, on 29 June 2017 - 12:35 PM, said:

Anything is possible

That's true. But in 99% of the cases those "anythings" happen in people's heads only...



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View PostNikoTheMan, on 29 June 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

 Critical hit!!No penetration,no damage ??!!

 

One of those is a verbal hint that you hit a module, not actual armor.

 

View PostNikoTheMan, on 29 June 2017 - 09:46 AM, said:

 

I wasn`t using HEAT,only APCR and AP ,and btw 1 it was right in front of me like 5m or so and i was aiming above tracks on flat panel armor ,same thing =critical hit!!

 

Then what caliber where you using? Or what tank rather. I mean sure it has 50mm armor on the upper plate. But it's at an 60 degree angle. If he is backing off a ridge line when you hit him. That plate can be 70 degrees or more. Or if he is on higher ground then you. As in you have to use your gun elevation to hit him, even if he is on flat ground. And his hull is at an angle vs your. Most tier X med guns can still ricochet off it. As then that plate is 70 degrees or more. It's not always about how thick the plate it. It's equally important to make sure your impact angle is not to big. 

 

View PostNikoTheMan, on 29 June 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

 

I have a friend from old clan who said to me that his paying 180Eu for that kind of cheats (or he did) and that he uses that in random every day (btw he got baned for his nick name not hacks) and he also said that on those VIP hacks u have protection from being baned !!I belive him that he uses that coz he sucks badly as a player,but when he loads his sh11ts he never comes out from game under 3-4k damage and 4-6 kills no matter if he goes in the midle of the 5 tanks or he just snipe from 400m and never miss a shot...

 

Again... damage is done server side. No "VIP" hacks can alter damage, pen or armor valules or even accuracy. If someone did. They would not be banned and that's it. A bigger legal case would come out of it. And why would a VIP hack protect him from getting banned? If WG is sure he used it, they are not gonna ban him because he is marked as a "VIP hacker"?

 

 

View Postpecopad, on 29 June 2017 - 12:35 PM, said:

 

Very few things in online gaming are impossible. The way WoT works, yes calculations are made serverside, but I think the values for the calculations are sent from the client.

 

Turret rotation and bloom also should be impossible to hack, but I've been shot from tanks that were not with the gun facing me, and there are replays online... so

 

Anything is possible

 

No. No calculation is done on your client. At all. You only sent input commands to the server. And you get them back, as he calculates it for you. Even turret rotation is done there. That's why when you lag, the shell might come out of your side turret, as your client says one thing, but the server still says differently.  Anything that happens on the client that recorded the replay sticks. Even lag, packet loss of glitches. So if you got hit by something that was not facing you, it's just that one of the many strings of data did not return correctly, and you simply had a packet loss issue, or a lag spike that caused your client to lag behind. Nothing more, nothing less. As your client says he still aiming there, server says he is turned around, but you still got the shell data. Your client is only a visual representation of what goes on. The server runs everything. And if something is not 100% with the data you get back. The "image" and the visual representation will be affected.


Edited by Balc0ra, 29 June 2017 - 02:04 PM.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 29 June 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

 

No, the server always check the values he gets sent, you can NOT manipulate the server. The game runs on the server and no mods or hacks can change that.

 

And shot from tanks facing you are easy to explain: they ARE facing you on the serverside game but your client lost the information or lagged behind which cause you not to see where he was actually aiming.

 

So how can you be shot by a tank with a gun facing the otherway. I'm sure you are familiar with aimbots and there are a number of replays of this happening.

 

Also how can a tank shoot a cupola from 400 mts and more 4 times in a row?How can I be traveling full speed in an obj 430 and be shot in the cupola twice?

 

There are enough evidences that RNG is being manipulated by hacks, how do they do it,I have some ideas, but for sure serve side computations does not prevent that.






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