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Argedeava #1 Posted 29 June 2017 - 07:39 PM

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Why does a direct hit with a HE projectile with 65 average penetration do such low damage (1-200 compared with the listed 500-800 damage) to a poorly armored targhet like BC 25t who`s armour is at best 60 mm thick?

fighting_falcon93 #2 Posted 29 June 2017 - 07:43 PM

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http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Battle_Mechanics#HE_Shells:

 

 

The short answer is that unless the shell penetrates, it will never do more than half it's damage, propably even less than that due to armor thickness and spall liner reducing it further.

 

The long answer is:

 

= 0.5 * 650 * (1 - 0) - 1.1 * 70 * 1

= 0.5 * 650 * 1 - 77

= 325 - 77

= 248


Edited by fighting_falcon93, 29 June 2017 - 07:49 PM.


AliceUnchained #3 Posted 29 June 2017 - 07:45 PM

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Return question: Why is it so hard to look for an answer yourself first?

Jigabachi #4 Posted 29 June 2017 - 07:48 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 29 June 2017 - 07:45 PM, said:

Return question: Why is it so hard to look for an answer yourself first?

Because he just asks that to have an excuse to whine about something.

 

And yes. Reading the wiki helps.



AliceUnchained #5 Posted 29 June 2017 - 08:30 PM

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View PostJigabachi, on 29 June 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

Because he just asks that to have an excuse to whine about something.

 

And yes. Reading the wiki helps.

 

I'll pitch in then: I recently did ZERO damage to a Grille 15 firing HESH at it with the Conqueror. Any particular wiki page you'd recommend reading (really doesn't have to be WoT related btw)?

1ncompetenc3 #6 Posted 29 June 2017 - 08:32 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 29 June 2017 - 08:30 PM, said:

 

I'll pitch in then: I recently did ZERO damage to a Grille 15 firing HESH at it with the Conqueror. Any particular wiki page you'd recommend reading (really doesn't have to be WoT related btw)?

 

Without knowing where that shell hit I'm guessing any page that has a picture showing at least the gun barrel will do. :hiding:

AliceUnchained #7 Posted 29 June 2017 - 08:35 PM

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View Post1ncompetenc3, on 29 June 2017 - 08:32 PM, said:

Without knowing where that shell hit I'm guessing any page that has a picture showing at least the gun barrel will do. 

 

That it will good Sir.



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View PostAliceUnchained, on 29 June 2017 - 08:30 PM, said:

 

I'll pitch in then: I recently did ZERO damage to a Grille 15 firing HESH at it with the Conqueror. Any particular wiki page you'd recommend reading (really doesn't have to be WoT related btw)?

 

A couple of days ago I've hit T67, peeking over the ridge with a HE shell from my M4 (410 damage) for 0 damage. After watching the replay, I saw I've hit the front of its gun. The worst part: by battle report gun was not even damaged. :(

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View Postiztok, on 30 June 2017 - 06:40 AM, said:

A couple of days ago I've hit T67, peeking over the ridge with a HE shell from my M4 (410 damage) for 0 damage. After watching the replay, I saw I've hit the front of its gun. The worst part: by battle report gun was not even damaged. 

 

Yep, those things happen unfortunately. I instantly knew I had hit the gun of that Grille 15. Didn't make it less annoying of course. Especially since that same Grille 15 player simply yolo rushed up to me and snap shot penned the upper glacis. Second yolo Grille 15 joined in, same result (don't recall if they were in platoon). So I got destroyed in 3 (snap) shots. They both got destroyed mere seconds later naturally (and we won that game, so all good in the end).

 

As far as I know any modules damaged, but subsequently repaired by the opponent, do not show up in the after battle report. Which I always thought to be a mistake on Wargaming part, and even more so now that repair kits can be reused. Every critical damage hit to modules and crew should be listed, regardless of whether it was corrected by the opponent or not. And if you damage the same module more than once, after battle report should show that as well.



AlwaysLate #10 Posted 30 June 2017 - 10:58 AM

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And one extra fact he does have rng too so same shell at same spot on the same tank would do different damage every time duo to the +-25% damage rule even if it doesnt pen which means for ex 1000 damage he shell can do 1250/2 =~600 damage plus armor thickness and hsl reduction and it can do 750/2=~350 plus armor thickness and hsl reduction 

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View PostArgedeava, on 29 June 2017 - 07:39 PM, said:

Why does a direct hit with a HE projectile with 65 average penetration do such low damage (1-200 compared with the listed 500-800 damage) to a poorly armored targhet like BC 25t who`s armour is at best 60 mm thick?

 

Batchat has lots of spaced armour, it doesn't matter how much penetration your HE has it will explode at the first layer of armour it hits, the penetration value is only used to determine if it was a penetrating or non penetrating hit on that first layer.

 

And even if you miss all the spaced armour slopes matter for HE pen.  There is no normalisation so it works on total LOS thickness, it doesn't take much angle for 60mm to become over 65 effective.

 

If you don't penetrate then your damage gets halved immediately and then reduced by distance from hull armour of the detonation point and by the armour thickness.



Argedeava #12 Posted 30 June 2017 - 01:16 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 30 June 2017 - 11:05 AM, said:

 

Batchat has lots of spaced armour, it doesn't matter how much penetration your HE has it will explode at the first layer of armour it hits, the penetration value is only used to determine if it was a penetrating or non penetrating hit on that first layer.

 

And even if you miss all the spaced armour slopes matter for HE pen.  There is no normalisation so it works on total LOS thickness, it doesn't take much angle for 60mm to become over 65 effective.

 

If you don't penetrate then your damage gets halved immediately and then reduced by distance from hull armour of the detonation point and by the armour thickness.

 

Thx.

TheJumpMaster #13 Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:18 PM

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I got as far as the thread title. I believe in equality, so I have no problems with a HE question. I myself am heterosexual , so I would like a SHE question. Then there are those that would like a gender neutral question

Edited by TheJumpMaster, 01 July 2017 - 11:12 AM.


call_me_ShockZz #14 Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:30 PM

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the question itself isnt dumb but.. how the freaking banana do you have almost 20k battles and dont know how HE works?!




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