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joboo10 #1 Posted 29 June 2017 - 11:38 PM

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Hi, 18 out of 20 battles in my Tiger 2 or my CDC, im getting tier 10 match ups, and im really getting pissed off. I just sold my IS-3 (which had really good mm) and i didnt really know that the difference were SO big. Now im thinking about selling my tiger 2, even though i loved it when playing against tier 8 and tier 9's.. Do you experience the same thing?

HugSeal #2 Posted 30 June 2017 - 12:01 AM

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IS3 and the tiger 2 gets the same mm. You are just extremely biased and wrong, nothing unique but it's getting quite tedious with all the threads of people being wrong popping up.

 

Do you have a compilation of those 20 games (which is an extremely low sample size) to show that you aren't jsut exaggerating?



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OP, I have been putting off creating a "How To" for people looking to examine the MM difference between 9.18 and 9.19. Work is kicking my [edited]with team members out sick and on holiday and I've not gotten around to it yet. Suffice to say, unless we can get together and create a decent sample (which naturally must also include people who feel the current MM is positive) then we lack any kind of real proof. I would be less dismissive than HugSeal but at the same time, he's not wrong, where is our proof?

 

I will try and get this "How To" written this evening even though I'm on the back of a 16 hour day. It's not looking like the next few weeks will be any less hectic but it's needed if we actually want to have any kind of informed discussion on this issue.



1ncompetenc3 #4 Posted 30 June 2017 - 12:49 AM

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Those two tanks should have identical MM, though if you're working with tiny sample sizes it might not be apparent.

 

Regarding MM: It feels absolutely screwed, yes. I'm doing a little experiment to see how screwed it actually is.



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View PostHugSeal, on 30 June 2017 - 01:01 AM, said:

IS3 and the tiger 2 gets the same mm. You are just extremely biased and wrong, nothing unique but it's getting quite tedious with all the threads of people being wrong popping up.

 

Do you have a compilation of those 20 games (which is an extremely low sample size) to show that you aren't jsut exaggerating?

 

He's not wrong though, T8 is horrible to play due to high number of T9-10 games at the moment. Especially if you 3 man platoon.

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View PostSwoopie, on 30 June 2017 - 01:00 AM, said:

View PostHugSeal, on 30 June 2017 - 01:01 AM, said:

IS3 and the tiger 2 gets the same mm. You are just extremely biased and wrong, nothing unique but it's getting quite tedious with all the threads of people being wrong popping up.

 

Do you have a compilation of those 20 games (which is an extremely low sample size) to show that you aren't jsut exaggerating?

 

He's not wrong though, T8 is horrible to play due to high number of T9-10 games at the moment. Especially if you 3 man platoon.

 

He most definitely is wrong claiming there is a MM difference between the IS3 and the Tiger 2. Tier 8 sucks to play, yes. That doesn't make that claim correct.

 

Tier 8 is extra harsh since there are a LOT of people playing tier 8, a lot of people plaing tier 10 and you only get 6 tanks each battle being top tier if you want -2 matchmaking.



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View PostHugSeal, on 30 June 2017 - 02:39 AM, said:

 

He most definitely is wrong claiming there is a MM difference between the IS3 and the Tiger 2. Tier 8 sucks to play, yes. That doesn't make that claim correct.

 

Tier 8 is extra harsh since there are a LOT of people playing tier 8, a lot of people plaing tier 10 and you only get 6 tanks each battle being top tier if you want -2 matchmaking.

 

Uggh. For some reason I thought the point was the constant hightier games in T8's instead of the mm difference of Is3/Tiger2. Yeah those tanks having different MM is complete tinfoilhattery. Shouldn't probably post while tired...

 

Anyway, even only T8 games are quite rare. I've been playing some T8's recently (Mainly Lorraine and other T8 prems). 30 replays, only 3 replays where I had a T8 only game and once I saw T6's. No games with 5/10 distribution of T8/T7 tanks. So for 26 games I've been staring at T9/T10 tanks. Iirc there was a post on reddit recently showing how badly T8's get shafted by the current MM (with statistics and stuff) but dont have the link for this occasion.

 

Edit: https://www.reddit.c...wed_for_tier_8/

Something about the issue


Edited by Swoopie, 30 June 2017 - 02:01 AM.


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View PostSwoopie, on 30 June 2017 - 01:58 AM, said:

 

Uggh. For some reason I thought the point was the constant hightier games in T8's instead of the mm difference of Is3/Tiger2. Yeah those tanks having different MM is complete tinfoilhattery. Shouldn't probably post while tired...

 

Anyway, even only T8 games are quite rare. I've been playing some T8's recently (Mainly Lorraine and other T8 prems). 30 replays, only 3 replays where I had a T8 only game and once I saw T6's. No games with 5/10 distribution of T8/T7 tanks. So for 26 games I've been staring at T9/T10 tanks. Iirc there was a post on reddit recently showing how badly T8's get shafted by the current MM (with statistics and stuff) but dont have the link for this occasion.

 

Edit: https://www.reddit.c...wed_for_tier_8/

Something about the issue

 

Full tier VIII games are more common for PMM tanks, at least in my experience. Might do a run with those when I'm finished with the regular ones to get some numbers.

Jigabachi #9 Posted 30 June 2017 - 02:17 AM

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18 out of 20 sounds like an exaggeration.
Anyway, there should be a pinned thread for this...

_Anarchistic_ #10 Posted 30 June 2017 - 02:32 AM

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nothing wrong with mm, even if you have tier 10 games new mm gives you plenty options how to play with 3/5/7

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View PostStewie2ie, on 30 June 2017 - 02:32 AM, said:

nothing wrong with mm, even if you have tier 10 games new mm gives you plenty options how to play with 3/5/7

Personally, I don't have too many issues with it either, but tVIII does face a lot of higher tier matches. More than any other tier. And that's a problem.



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View PostStewie2ie, on 30 June 2017 - 01:32 AM, said:

nothing wrong with mm, even if you have tier 10 games new mm gives you plenty options how to play with 3/5/7

 

It's not that you are necessarily wrong man, I just think from an economic perspective people aren't likely to buy too many T8 Cash Tanks so they learn how to use them in t10 battles. That's just not how that works for most people and that's the a massive problem for the company from a revenue perspective if it continues.

 

I don't think they'd have released 2 "calm down and carry on" videos in 2 days if they weren't seeing an issue themselves. With sales of course, the only true metric....



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View PostJigabachi, on 30 June 2017 - 02:36 AM, said:

Personally, I don't have too many issues with it either, but tVIII does face a lot of higher tier matches. More than any other tier. And that's a problem.

 

View PostAchibot, on 30 June 2017 - 02:40 AM, said:

 

It's not that you are necessarily wrong man, I just think from an economic perspective people aren't likely to buy too many T8 Cash Tanks so they learn how to use them in t10 battles. That's just not how that works for most people and that's the a massive problem for the company from a revenue perspective if it continues.

 

I don't think they'd have released 2 "calm down and carry on" videos in 2 days if they weren't seeing an issue themselves. With sales of course, the only true metric....

 

the biggest issue I personally have at moment is number of all tier 10 games, well over 60% of my recent tier 10 games are entirely t10 tanks.  it was novel at first, now its boring

 

I would also be interested how many all tier 9,8,7,6 etc tier battles there are



Gvozdika #14 Posted 30 June 2017 - 12:17 PM

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Probably also the fact that the Tiger II is a pretty sad and lacklustre option vs other T8s, much less any higher tiers. An IS-3 is still competitive in a T9 game and can't be ignored in a T10 game - it's still viable. In reality they probably see the same number of T10 games as any other non-pref-MM T8 - it's just that one is a better tank vs. higher tiers than the other. 

 

The 'experience' of playing T8s has pretty much gone down the toilet with the newer premiums running around; as well as the rarity of same-tier match-ups or battles where you are actually top of the MM. The winners of the new system are T9s and T10s who more often than not get a nice MM with lots of T8s to duff up. 

 



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Fun times in Tiger II, enemy team pressed RRR and rolled us up in about 3 minutes.

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View PostJigabachi, on 30 June 2017 - 01:36 AM, said:

Personally, I don't have too many issues with it either, but tVIII does face a lot of higher tier matches. More than any other tier. And that's a problem.

 

This exactly, T8 in 7 out of 10 match-ups is against tier 10 while being bottom tier and its not fun to be always cannon fodder for enemy tier 9-10. If you take into consideration premiums with pref MM the scenario is even worse....

Sell tiger 2 and move to E75 or sell it and stay to T6 until they fix T8 mm or till you find another game more fun than wot


Edited by Dragonlordcv, 30 June 2017 - 02:40 PM.


Rosetta_and_Philae #17 Posted 30 June 2017 - 05:02 PM

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I've got a King Tiger but I wouldn't dare take it out now.

wsatnutter #18 Posted 30 June 2017 - 05:16 PM

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View PostRosetta_and_Philae, on 30 June 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

I've got a King Tiger but I wouldn't dare take it out now.

 

this sums it up brilliantly

PauI #19 Posted 30 June 2017 - 08:07 PM

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View PostRosetta_and_Philae, on 30 June 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

I've got a King Tiger but I wouldn't dare take it out now.

You have the improved mm now...should be fun lookomg at wg statement from.tank fest



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Tier VIII mm sucks...just like it always has since tier VIII is so horribly outmatched by tier IX and X.

 

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