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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 30 June 2017 - 07:28 AM

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since the new updates, huge WR loss for me, despite doing more damage and more XP

 

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JuliusCheddar #2 Posted 30 June 2017 - 07:44 AM

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Maybe avoid chai sniping 

T_H_F #3 Posted 30 June 2017 - 07:47 AM

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For average me, winrate about same, damage a bit up, new MM is good for me...T8 is more tuff..

250swb #4 Posted 30 June 2017 - 07:53 AM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 30 June 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

since the new updates, huge WR loss for me, despite doing more damage and more XP

 

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So was 14113 battles when the MM changed because at that point something radical happened? Had you been playing arty up to that point? Perhaps you'd been relying on platoons to boost your WR before the change? Only you know.



Zoltan1251 #5 Posted 30 June 2017 - 08:02 AM

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too many factors.... you can easily explain this by higher tier games for example... playing higher tier means more damage and more xp per battle so there you go... and your wn8 is about the same but you are not good enough to make impact to win... there you go

Homer_J #6 Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:19 AM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 30 June 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

since the new updates, huge WR loss for me, despite doing more damage and more XP

 

 

 

I thought you said (elsewhere) that your WN8 was going up.

 

Those graphs look like you just started playing higher tiers and got out of your league.

 

[edit] Indeed, average tier for last 1k battles 6.9, average overall 6.03


Edited by Homer_J, 30 June 2017 - 09:21 AM.


Ze_HOFF_fverhoef #7 Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:44 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 30 June 2017 - 08:19 AM, said:

 

I thought you said (elsewhere) that your WN8 was going up.

 

Those graphs look like you just started playing higher tiers and got out of your league.

 

[edit] Indeed, average tier for last 1k battles 6.9, average overall 6.03

^^Basically this^^

 

It seems you've travelled up the tiers, and you still have some trouble adapting to the higher tiers. Not a big issue.



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View PostZe_HOFF_fverhoef, on 30 June 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

It seems you've travelled up the tiers, and you still have some trouble adapting to the higher tiers. Not a big issue.

 

Umm, IMX it is a rather big issue. At least my bad T-54 and Obj-140 and to some extent ScorpG stats say so.  :sceptic:



Ze_HOFF_fverhoef #9 Posted 30 June 2017 - 10:14 AM

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View Postiztok, on 30 June 2017 - 09:06 AM, said:

 

Umm, IMX it is a rather big issue. At least my bad T-54 and Obj-140 and to some extent ScorpG stats say so.  :sceptic:

 

Yours is more a case of some tanks disagreeing with you... Happens to most of us ... like for me the Indien Panzer.

 

OP just needs to adopt himself to the higher tiers. He's definitely not a bad player, so I assume it's a matter of time. And in the end there are always players better than yourself (except if you're the best player of course)



AliceUnchained #10 Posted 30 June 2017 - 10:25 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 30 June 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

Those graphs look like you just started playing higher tiers and got out of your league.

 

[edit] Indeed, average tier for last 1k battles 6.9, average overall 6.03

 

Exactly, one look at the graphs already made that abundantly clear to me. Far too many WoT players seem to understand very little about the graphs and statistics they're constantly (obsessively?) staring at. Not to mention they always seem to ignore parts of relevant statistics. 

HassenderZerhacker #11 Posted 30 June 2017 - 10:34 AM

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View Post250swb, on 30 June 2017 - 07:53 AM, said:

 

 

So was 14113 battles when the MM changed because at that point something radical happened? Had you been playing arty up to that point? Perhaps you'd been relying on platoons to boost your WR before the change? Only you know.

 

very few platoons, very few arty...

 

I really don't know - I am also not under the impression that I changed my gameplay.

 

no idea really.



HassenderZerhacker #12 Posted 30 June 2017 - 10:37 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 30 June 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

 

I thought you said (elsewhere) that your WN8 was going up.

 

Those graphs look like you just started playing higher tiers and got out of your league.

 

[edit] Indeed, average tier for last 1k battles 6.9, average overall 6.03

 

WN 8 is going up, the graph values have not been adjusted for changes in WN8 expected values.

 

the drop in winrate occured in the middle of my tier 8 grind.

 

out of my league might be true, many tier 9 and tier 10 games are quite disgusting, I wonder if arty changes have something to do with that.



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 30 June 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

 

WN 8 is going up, the graph values have not been adjusted for changes in WN8 expected values.

 

 

Graphs from wotlabs show your WN8 going from 938 to 944 in that period.  That is not really a rise.

 

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Maxem_2 #14 Posted 30 June 2017 - 10:52 AM

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You are playing more T9 but do not perform as good as your Lower Tiers WinRate (45-46%), dmg (700-900) well above your 500 avg dmg.

This is very normal when playing higher tiers, higher dmg lower Winrate.

 

Play more Tier 4-6 and your stats will go back to normal, or hold on till you get the hang of the higher tiers.



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 30 June 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

WN 8 is going up, the graph values have not been adjusted for changes in WN8 expected values.

 

the drop in winrate occured in the middle of my tier 8 grind.

 

out of my league might be true, many tier 9 and tier 10 games are quite disgusting, I wonder if arty changes have something to do with that.

 

As you're so desperate to look at statistics, why don't you actually look at them and figure it out for yourself:

 

http://www.noobmeter.com/recent/eu/HassenderZerhacker/530821548/530821548_00014421_20170526_175741/530821548_00015471_20170630_064528

 

Overall your current win rate comes from performing somewhat better in heavy tanks, while being rather poor (win rate wise) in light tanks, medium tanks, and tank destroyers. You're pretty bad at practically everything, and failed to hit your average win rate in practically all tanks you've played over the past 1.050 games... Your WN8 indeed is going up, but not much, and the increased damage can easily be attributed to playing higher Tiers on average. But as the damage you deal is quite poor, your win rate suffers. Which is perfectly logical to even the simplest of people if they take just a bit of time to look beyond the graphs.

 

Seriously, how hard can it be to look at your own performance? You stare at your graphs, without having the slightest clue as to how they came to be or what it is you're actually staring at. And then of course instantly run to forums to create yet another useless, pointless, garbage thread. It's not even gameplay related, thus reported.

 



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View PostMaxem_2, on 30 June 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

You are playing more T9 but do not perform as good as your Lower Tiers WinRate (45-46%), dmg (700-900) well above your 500 avg dmg.

This is very normal when playing higher tiers, higher dmg lower Winrate.

 

Play more Tier 4-6 and your stats will go back to normal, or hold on till you get the hang of the higher tiers.

 

This is what I do if my WR goes down too much over a period of time when I'm playing out of my league, I play lower tiers again to reset the WR. And it also gets me back into the habit of winning which shouldn't be underestimated, it can be too easy to resign yourself to a tank or tier that isn't performing for you and the killer instinct can dwindle away.




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