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CamperKaempfer #1 Posted 02 July 2017 - 12:11 AM

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on paper it looks good, with sloped 85mm frontal and 40mm side. why do people say it's bad, while the armour on 30-01 (D) is said to be decent, with only 60? also hte latter's successor has 80mm frontal at tier 7 and it's said to allow it to brawl effectively. how can that be?

captainpigg #2 Posted 02 July 2017 - 01:03 AM

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Who in the hell told you the Panther is a brawler? It, and the tier 6, are mid to long range snipers, at long ranges its armor can work, but don't depend on it.

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AC130Pilot #3 Posted 02 July 2017 - 09:27 AM

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I have the tank. It has no armour. Its playstyle is "defensive" with rare exceptions. Stay at the last line (not behind SPGs, but pretty far back; maybe next to TDs) and move up only when it's safe (having advantage over enemy) or you can go and cap. As a front line player this tank irritates me, but I really want E 50, E 50 M...

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 02 July 2017 - 01:03 AM, said:

Who in the hell told you the Panther is a brawler? It, and the tier 6, are mid to long range snipers, at long ranges its armor can work, but don't depend on it.

 

Snipers? Sniping loses games more times than it wins games, unless you are a TD, meds like this should be played like meds, ive bounced Rhm Borsig with the vk30m.... 

iztok #5 Posted 02 July 2017 - 11:32 AM

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Hi!

> VK30.02(M) armour

The problem with this tank is it's BIG (easy target), has low mobility (so not flanker), and its 75mm gun loses pen way to fast (so not a sniper). And 85mm eff armor is good at tier-5. At tier-6 90% tanks it meets meet will pen it easily (so not a brawler).

 

This tank has too many disadvantages to be fun. :(

 

BR,  Iztok

 


Edited by iztok, 02 July 2017 - 11:33 AM.


lord_chipmonk #6 Posted 02 July 2017 - 12:00 PM

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The VK and especially Panther armour is ok if either top tier or hull down. Even then, you're no heavy. Personally, never liked the VK, but do love my Panther. Go figure. 

CamperKaempfer #7 Posted 02 July 2017 - 12:52 PM

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 02 July 2017 - 01:03 AM, said:

Who in the hell told you the Panther is a brawler? It, and the tier 6, are mid to long range snipers, at long ranges its armor can work, but don't depend on it.

 

i mean the one after the 30-01 (D)

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The other line is more mobile, and the tier 7 88mm gun is more suited to brawling than the Panther long 75mm gun.

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View PostCamperKaempfer, on 02 July 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

 

i mean the one after the 30-01 (D)

 

Fair enough, yes it is with good alpha/DPM combo, but still don't expect miracles from that armour. 

CamperKaempfer #10 Posted 02 July 2017 - 01:25 PM

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 02 July 2017 - 01:08 PM, said:

The other line is more mobile, and the tier 7 88mm gun is more suited to brawling than the Panther long 75mm gun.

 

but i don't nderstand, how can hte other tier 7 medium (not hte panther) be good at brawling and said to have good armour if it only has 80 mm of frontal, while the vk3002m has 85 and is bad?

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View PostCamperKaempfer, on 02 July 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

 

but i don't nderstand, how can hte other tier 7 medium (not hte panther) be good at brawling and said to have good armour if it only has 80 mm of frontal, while the vk3002m has 85 and is bad?

 

No-one says that either has good armor, not anyone sane at least, the VK30.01D + VK30.02D are speed brawlers. ie the use their speed and maneuverability to flank and circle other tank, something that you can't really do in the Panthers. As for their respective armor, it basically is the same on both due to armor angles negating any thinner armor, plus they have same turret, though the D's rotates quicker so better for brawling.

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View Postcaptainpigg, on 02 July 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

 

No-one says that either has good armor, not anyone sane at least, the VK30.01D + VK30.02D are speed brawlers. ie the use their speed and maneuverability to flank and circle other tank, something that you can't really do in the Panthers. As for their respective armor, it basically is the same on both due to armor angles negating any thinner armor, plus they have same turret, though the D's rotates quicker so better for brawling.

 

ok, i expected the vk30.02d to have some effectiveness in armour or it's just a liht tank with lower speed and even worse guns i guess, but what i want to know what does hte vk3002M have that hte vk3002D doesn't have? it's slower and that's pretty much it apparently



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Much better gun dispersion values, again suiting it better to fight a distance. The D's need to get closer for their guns to be as effective.

Btw the VK30.02M does have better frontal armor, the tier 7's have basically the same armor.

I would encourage you to have a look at tanks.gg for the armor viewer and full tank stats.


Edited by captainpigg, 02 July 2017 - 02:09 PM.


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View Postcaptainpigg, on 02 July 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

Much better gun dispersion values, again suiting it better to fight a distance. The D's need to get closer for their guns to be as effective.

 

oh good, so dispersion on hte move right? not accuracy? isn't it just becuase they move more slowly?

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VK armor shines after getting destroyed

 

You can go hulldown in T29 behind it and nothing will go through



CamperKaempfer #16 Posted 03 July 2017 - 06:34 PM

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why whole question is: is hte hull really as god a hte panther's as it said on paper is htere some bug or somehting of hte kind?

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View PostCamperKaempfer, on 03 July 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

why whole question is: is hte hull really as god a hte panther's as it said on paper is htere some bug or somehting of hte kind?

 

The Panther's hull isnt even that good..




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