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m1x_angelico #1 Posted 02 July 2017 - 10:34 PM

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Had a chance to read about some expected changes intended for BatChat. Although, it is a 9.20 super test, the intention seems clear - to nerf  destroy this tank.

 

I cannot understand why is WG constantly destroying non-premium tanks. 

 

If the intention is to force people to play tier X light tanks, simply buff them, don't destroy some other popularly used medium tanks, just to cover failure of the development team...



Enderman21 #2 Posted 02 July 2017 - 10:37 PM

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So there's no reason to choose a batchat over a TVP.

Edited by Enderman21, 02 July 2017 - 10:38 PM.


Pablo_Amenable #3 Posted 02 July 2017 - 10:51 PM

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They were testing "new role" for batchat in the supertest. Russians feedback was very negative so I don't really see that happening.

RamRaid90 #4 Posted 02 July 2017 - 10:53 PM

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The tank will be better, far better gun handling, better DPm etc etc.

m1x_angelico #5 Posted 02 July 2017 - 11:08 PM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 02 July 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

The tank will be better, far better gun handling, better DPm etc etc.

 

How can a tank have better dpm if you nerf pen and damage per shot?

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View PostPablo_Amenable, on 02 July 2017 - 10:51 PM, said:

They were testing "new role" for batchat in the supertest. Russians feedback was very negative so I don't really see that happening.

 

Hopefully they will leave the gun.

 

Some better handling buff would be nice.



Enderman21 #7 Posted 02 July 2017 - 11:12 PM

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View Postm1x_angelico, on 02 July 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

 

How can a tank have better dpm if you nerf pen and damage per shot?

 

DPM doesn't depend on penetration.

 

 


Edited by Enderman21, 02 July 2017 - 11:12 PM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 02 July 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

The tank will be better, far better gun handling, better DPm etc etc.

 

​a how will it be better?  its brutal now

b who was asking for nerfs, its not running at 80%wr

c its currently a unique tank, why make it more like other tanks? a tier 10 50 100 for example

d what they are doing is lowering the skill cap, its a great tank in the hands of a good player but bad in the hands of a bad player, that's a bad move by WG

 



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EggyTheGumGumChewer #10 Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:02 AM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 02 July 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

The tank will be better, far better gun handling, better DPm etc etc.

 

It will not be better. Basically it's just the 50 100 gun with better penetration and dpm. The gun handling is absolutely garbage concidering the shitty alpha. Long aimtime, poor accuracy, bad penetration and no alpha -> useless damage dealer.


Edited by EggyTheGumGumChewer, 03 July 2017 - 12:03 AM.


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View Postm1x_angelico, on 02 July 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

 

How can a tank have better dpm if you nerf pen and damage per shot?

 

Penetration is nothing to do with DPM.

 

And you get an extra shell in the clip, with a faster reload.

 

390 x 5 = 1950

300 x 6 = 1800 Very similar burst damage, but the reload is faster.



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View PostRamRaid90, on 03 July 2017 - 12:02 AM, said:

 

Penetration is nothing to do with DPM.

 

And you get an extra shell in the clip, with a faster reload.

 

390 x 5 = 1950

300 x 6 = 1800 Very similar burst damage, but the reload is faster.

 

The new dpm is lower than the 105 dpm... 2347 vs 2375..

The effective dpm is also way less because half your shots will miss or not penetrate. 2,4 sec intra clip means it will take 12 seconds to unload it. That is over 1 sec longer than the 105, and now you even have less burst damage.



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View PostEggyTheGumGumChewer, on 02 July 2017 - 11:08 PM, said:

 

The new dpm is lower than the 105 dpm... 2347 vs 2375..

The effective dpm is also way less because half your shots will miss or not penetrate. 2,4 sec intra clip means it will take 12 seconds to unload it. That is over 1 sec longer than the 105, and now you even have less burst damage.

 

You complain about gun handling, yet it is better than the current 105....so you want it all ways...

 

Not only do you have a tank with light tank camo rating, agility and speed...You currently also have a tank that can clip most tier X mediums in 11 seconds. Faster than any tier X medium can even give you two shells in return.

 

Please, enlighten everyone as to how the BC 25t has ever been balanced in it's current form.


Edited by RamRaid90, 03 July 2017 - 12:35 AM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 03 July 2017 - 12:21 AM, said:

 

You complain about gun handling, yet it is better than the current 105....so you want it all ways...

 

Not only do you have a tank with light tank camo rating, agility and speed...You currently also have a tank that can clip most tier X mediums in 11 seconds. Faster than any tier X medium can even give you two shells in return.

 

Please, enlighten everyone as to how the BC 25t has ever been balanced in it's current form.

 

Because the 105mm has 390 alpha while the 100mm has 300 alpha... The lower your alpha, the better your gun handling must be to "feel the same". To put it like this, you can't put Death Star gun handling on a 90mm gun.

 

I am not here to talk about the current state of the BC, which you have seemed to completely forget about, although I am sure many will agree that the BC is a difficult but rewarding tank. I am just trying to prove that the new 100mm gun will be one of the worst guns at tier 10, and a massive nerf to the BC.



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I won't call it destroy. I'am even not sure it it's a rebalance or nerf.

 

It will get a shell more and reloads faster. The gun handling will be better too. The penetration with premium ammo will be nerfed, but those 330mm are kind of ridiculous.



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View PostRamRaid90, on 03 July 2017 - 12:21 AM, said:

 

You complain about gun handling, yet it is better than the current 105....so you want it all ways...

 

Not only do you have a tank with light tank camo rating, agility and speed...You currently also have a tank that can clip most tier X mediums in 11 seconds. Faster than any tier X medium can even give you two shells in return.

 

Please, enlighten everyone as to how the BC 25t has ever been balanced in it's current form.

 

Russian meds can give you 3 in return... also 140 getting a buff. 140 is better for more wide audience. BC is better only for super unicums.



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View PostZirakss, on 03 July 2017 - 05:14 AM, said:

I won't call it destroy. I'am even not sure it it's a rebalance or nerf.

 

It will get a shell more and reloads faster. The gun handling will be better too. The penetration with premium ammo will be nerfed, but those 330mm are kind of ridiculous.

It is always "destroyed" when it is rebalanced. It's about time they did something even if it's just a bit. I doubt this is a nerf. There are still enough tanks that are worse as an overall package. 



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View PostEnforcer1975, on 03 July 2017 - 06:38 AM, said:

It is always "destroyed" when it is rebalanced. It's about time they did something even if it's just a bit. I doubt this is a nerf. There are still enough tanks that are worse as an overall package. 

 

Not among t10 meds. Nerfed BC would be easily the worst.



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You do understand the concept of supertest?

 

And the gun is just going back to how it was when it was a tier 9 with tier X matchmaking.  IMO with a bit of tweaking it would be a buff.



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View Postm1x_angelico, on 02 July 2017 - 10:34 PM, said:

 

If the intention is to force people to play tier X light tanks, simply buff them, don't destroy some other popularly used medium tanks, just to cover failure of the development team...

 

They never fail. They make it work as intended.

 

 

View PostStewie2ie, on 02 July 2017 - 11:17 PM, said:

 

c its currently a unique tank, why make it more like other tanks? a tier 10 50 100 for example

 

Because they don't like uniqueness. They destroyed every single tank that was unique, except premiums like E25 or Lefh. Look at ELCbis or VK28, for instance.

 






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