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HassenderZerhacker #1 Posted 04 July 2017 - 02:58 PM

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Something that happens too often, as well as the opposite.

The amount of heavies just added insult to injury... not that more heavies would have helped when 8 players decide to camp base.

What is so difficult in spreading skilled players evenly between teams???

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unhappy_bunny #2 Posted 04 July 2017 - 03:15 PM

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Yep. You are right. Totally unbalanced teams. 

 

They had 2 players with 20k+ battles where you was the most experienced on your team with 16K. 

 

 

Seriously, what should WG use to gauge skill? Will any form of MM using 'skill' guarantee no base camping?

 



Bucifel #3 Posted 04 July 2017 - 03:18 PM

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 04 July 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

 

 

Seriously, what should WG use to gauge skill? Will any form of MM using 'skill' guarantee no base camping?

 

 

something like XVM ? 

make it usefull and put a good role on it !

use it on team balance / skill balance



HassenderZerhacker #4 Posted 04 July 2017 - 03:20 PM

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 04 July 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

Yep. You are right. Totally unbalanced teams. 

 

They had 2 players with 20k+ battles where you was the most experienced on your team with 16K. 

 

 

Seriously, what should WG use to gauge skill? Will any form of MM using 'skill' guarantee no base camping?

 

 

you will find a strong correlation between personal rating and WN8, and a less strong correlation between winrate and WN8.  

 

there can never be guarantee for anything, but the odds could dramatically be improved.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 04 July 2017 - 03:21 PM.


imendars #5 Posted 04 July 2017 - 03:23 PM

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 04 July 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

Yep. You are right. Totally unbalanced teams. 

 

They had 2 players with 20k+ battles where you was the most experienced on your team with 16K. 

 

 

Seriously, what should WG use to gauge skill? Will any form of MM using 'skill' guarantee no base camping?

 

 

WG doesnt look at player fight count when making battles and never will. Sing all you want but it WONT happen.

They made special ranked battles mode (and messed up badly on multiple fronts), but it wont happen in regular random.

 

Also lots of supposedly superior players make crazy mistakes and decisions. I'm supposedly [edited] here but when i see someone with >60% win-rate doing absolutely WTF things i duno what to think. Perhaps skilled friend/family member got those nice stats and now the real account owner is playing with his/her tank and have no idea what to do?

I know some youtubers offer to *improve* stats... This might explain people with 70% win-rate not knowing what to do...

 

Or perhaps they decided to have a proper drink before battle and than needed some more... :trollface:


Edited by imendars, 04 July 2017 - 03:25 PM.


HassenderZerhacker #6 Posted 04 July 2017 - 03:29 PM

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 04 July 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

Seriously, what should WG use to gauge skill? Will any form of MM using 'skill' guarantee no base camping?

 

and WG has tons of stats, starting with personal rating, but they could easily put together another rating, whatever. just look at your vehicle stats, they got everything, they could even do it on a individual vehicle basis.

But really... even if they just used personal rating, it would still be lightyears better than not doing anything.



Enforcer1975 #7 Posted 04 July 2017 - 04:04 PM

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View PostBucifel, on 04 July 2017 - 03:18 PM, said:

 

something like XVM ? 

make it usefull and put a good role on it !

use it on team balance / skill balance

I think xvm is a bad tool to measure it. There are enough low battlecount rerolls who still play bad despite having purple or blue recent stats. 



h4ctor #8 Posted 04 July 2017 - 04:51 PM

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you have 16k games and you play tier 5 against people who dont even have 1k battles,no equipment and YOU complain about unfair MM? its all ok when you beat new players but when you get rekt its suddenly a problem?

 

pls get a grip,pathetic



Cobra6 #9 Posted 04 July 2017 - 04:55 PM

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For Wargaming a heavy counts the same as a medium even though people who play the game disagree with them.

So in effect we can say WG doesn't play their own game much which would explain all their recent premium tanks and nonsense like this.

 

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Aikl #10 Posted 04 July 2017 - 04:57 PM

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View Postimendars, on 04 July 2017 - 02:23 PM, said:

 

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Also lots of supposedly superior players make crazy mistakes and decisions. I'm supposedly [edited] here but when i see someone with >60% win-rate doing absolutely WTF things i duno what to think. (...)

 

XVM would make sense if WoT wasn't inherently random. Consistency is a feature of the very elite in my eyes. I believe that I'm in the top 5% segment in WN8 (that's not even blue, mind you) - and consistency is not the term I'd use for my results. :D

 

View PostCobra6, on 04 July 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

For Wargaming a heavy counts the same as a medium even though people who play the game disagree with them.

So in effect we can say WG doesn't play their own game much which would explain all their recent premium tanks and nonsense like this.

 

Cobra 6

 

 

Please, it's well-known that a T-54 Mod. 1 will handily beat a Defender on Ensk as top-tier in a 3-5-7 ...or is that a fun challenge gameplay-wise? :teethhappy:


Edited by Aikl, 04 July 2017 - 04:59 PM.


NoPoet406 #11 Posted 04 July 2017 - 05:06 PM

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Forgive me if I'm stupid, but doesn't the team with the HT deficiency have better players going by their WN8? What good is heavy armour against a more experienced and vastly better-rated player? I feel sorry for the Covenanter player, he's got 6k games, second highest WN8 and he's still bottom tank. And if the OP wants to play games at lower tiers, why is that a problem? What's wrong with the lower tiers? EDIT: As long as he's not seal-clubbing. And there's no evidence to suggest that he is.


Edited by NoPoet406, 04 July 2017 - 05:06 PM.


HassenderZerhacker #12 Posted 04 July 2017 - 05:24 PM

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View PostNoPoet406, on 04 July 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

Forgive me if I'm stupid, but doesn't the team with the HT deficiency have better players going by their WN8? What good is heavy armour against a more experienced and vastly better-rated player? I feel sorry for the Covenanter player, he's got 6k games, second highest WN8 and he's still bottom tank. And if the OP wants to play games at lower tiers, why is that a problem? What's wrong with the lower tiers? EDIT: As long as he's not seal-clubbing. And there's no evidence to suggest that he is.

 

you might want to visit the closest optical shop.

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View Posth4ctor, on 04 July 2017 - 04:51 PM, said:

you have 16k games and you play tier 5 against people who dont even have 1k battles,no equipment and YOU complain about unfair MM? its all ok when you beat new players but when you get rekt its suddenly a problem?

 

pls get a grip,pathetic

 

what?

are you dumb?

 



I_DiD_ #14 Posted 04 July 2017 - 06:08 PM

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22k batles 500Wn8 & 10k battles and 200WN8 , those players are more dangerous for them self then to enemy.

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 04 July 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

Something that happens too often, as well as the opposite.

The amount of heavies just added insult to injury... not that more heavies would have helped when 8 players decide to camp base.

What is so difficult in spreading skilled players evenly between teams???

 

we dont care and we dont give a $hi7, regard, WG county.

Artick_ #16 Posted 04 July 2017 - 06:12 PM

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 Damn son .  Who cares about team?  15-0 or 0-15 , you should do your wn8. Fk Winrate.!~

I play tier VI, Skoda T25 , wn8 farm , 1.1k = 2.8k wn8 :)) wth , and most of the games are 1.5k+ because team , and because MM , and because 250 wn8 toptier:)

Play for yourself , not for team. If you play agresive , you will win , because team follow , not take initiative = RIp campers + full bots 

 


Press2ForSkill #17 Posted 04 July 2017 - 06:17 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 04 July 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

Something that happens too often, as well as the opposite.

The amount of heavies just added insult to injury... not that more heavies would have helped when 8 players decide to camp base.

What is so difficult in spreading skilled players evenly between teams???

 

Both teams' players sucked badly, that is quite balanced to me, btw what XVM do u use that makes 900 wn8 green? dafuq? 900 wn8 in my xvm is red
Edit - What does wn8 even matter at tier 1-6 anyways? Almost everyone is really bad there, and are we going to ignore the fact that the enemy T67 is a fail reroll? :D that's probably their worst player in the team. I haven't played tier 1-5 in probably 8 months and my account is 13 months old. I play tier 6 though and unless im in a platoon, literally 29/30 players has red wn8.. and i end up carrying almost all the games, especially when we platoon, oh those tier 6 platoons so dirty.

Edited by Press2ForSkill, 04 July 2017 - 06:20 PM.


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View PostArtick_, on 04 July 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

 Damn son .  Who cares about team?  15-0 or 0-15 , you should do your wn8. Fk Winrate.!~

I play tier VI, Skoda T25 , wn8 farm , 1.1k = 2.8k wn8 :)) wth , and most of the games are 1.5k+ because team , and because MM , and because 250 wn8 toptier:)

Play for yourself , not for team. If you play agresive , you will win , because team follow , not take initiative = RIp campers + full bots 

 

you will want to see my replay...

Aleksey_K #19 Posted 04 July 2017 - 10:22 PM

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See their "balance"

 

https://s23.postimg.org/5aux6x0l3/shot_045.jpg

 

https://s23.postimg.org/8vve3vuif/shot_046.jpg

 

How to win ? .. at 1st min game was 0:6 ... and normal we loose ...


Edited by Aleksey_K, 04 July 2017 - 10:24 PM.


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View PostBucifel, on 04 July 2017 - 03:18 PM, said:

 

something like XVM ? 

make it usefull and put a good role on it !

use it on team balance / skill balance

 

Apart from the fact that as WN8  is a known metric.  It is relatively straightforward for people to manipulate it.  A red line camper or low tier clubber is not necessarily skilled.




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