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WindSplitter1 #1 Posted 05 July 2017 - 01:26 AM

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All vehicle classes from all nations (except France, Sweden and CZ/SK) have premium tanks for all classes except SPGs.

 

Regardless of what the playerbase believes or wants the class removed, there are people here who would like to speed up their crew training while playing this class.

 

The choice of an SPG player right now is to get the crew to another premium tank of another class, retrain the crew for the new vehicle type and return them to the SPG the crew was intended to, while spending more in retraining again.

 

Other classes do not suffer from this handicap.

 

You fixed artillery being unable to platoon, which was also losing out on the experience bonus from platooning, giving us, those who want it, premium SPGs. If you have no intention of removing the class, consolidate its presence.

 

I would also add this is a way to compensate players who didn't have their skills reset and specific ammunition types were removed. You don't have to constantly sell them or even add them to the premium shop, but selling them from time to time, like the leFH10B2, would be welcomed.

 

Note: I'm not gonna bother answering back mercury-filled keyboard warriors concerning this matter. If you hate artillery, it's your problem. Deal with it.


Edited by WindSplitter1, 05 July 2017 - 05:04 PM.


Balc0ra #2 Posted 05 July 2017 - 01:35 AM

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Well there are only two atm. The British premium Sexton at tier III. And the leFH at tier 5. Both have more HE pen then a tier 9 SPG. Sexton have normal and premium AP ammo. leFH have HEAT. So you can see why it's not ideal to sell them atm. As even the Sexton is rather good for an SPG now. Even tho LT still have premiums for sale, with the old balance.

 

But if they made a new one balanced for the current SPG style on mid to low tiers with no AP or HEAT gold ammo, and the new low HE pen vs the "high" one the current premiums have? Tbh I don't mind that, as it's a better option that even an arty hater would take over them selling more HEAT spammers from above with the leFH.



WindSplitter1 #3 Posted 05 July 2017 - 02:11 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 05 July 2017 - 12:35 AM, said:

Well there are only two atm. The British premium Sexton at tier III. And the leFH at tier 5. Both have more HE pen then a tier 9 SPG. Sexton have normal and premium AP ammo. leFH have HEAT. So you can see why it's not ideal to sell them atm. As even the Sexton is rather good for an SPG now. Even tho LT still have premiums for sale, with the old balance.

 

But if they made a new one balanced for the current SPG style on mid to low tiers with no AP or HEAT gold ammo, and the new low HE pen vs the "high" one the current premiums have? Tbh I don't mind that, as it's a better option that even an arty hater would take over them selling more HEAT spammers from above with the leFH.

 

I know. The Sexton I is kinda redundant since it's pretty much a clone of the II (or is it the other way around). Ditto for Lefh.

But yeah, new arty with the current mechanic and without piercing ammo since that could be interpreted as powercreep, pay to win, etc.

 

View Postcaptainpigg, on 05 July 2017 - 12:37 AM, said:

I'd freaking love a Edited but it does need to be retired now. Any new arty must be of the new mechanics, just off the top of my head for British arty: Gun Carrier Mk 1; Yeramba; FV305 & FV433 Abbot.
 

 

 

Abbot ftw. But other nations would need those too... :)


Edited by Asklepi0s, 05 July 2017 - 01:34 PM.


Wayneable #4 Posted 05 July 2017 - 02:45 AM

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I think this is a good idea, as long as they are max tier 4-5. Lord knows we do not need tier 8 premium arty in this game.

 


Edited by Wayneable, 05 July 2017 - 02:49 AM.


I_Gutmensch_Deluxe_I #5 Posted 05 July 2017 - 02:46 AM

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Please give us more Arty, this Game must be Destroyed completely...

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Balc0ra #6 Posted 05 July 2017 - 03:05 AM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 05 July 2017 - 02:11 AM, said:

 

I know. The Sexton I is kinda redundant since it's pretty much a clone of the II (or is it the other way around). Ditto for Lefh.

But yeah, new arty with the current mechanic and without piercing ammo since that could be interpreted as powercreep, pay to win, etc.

 

 

It was a clone of the Sexton II indeed. But now it's the old stats. With 2x the HE pen "44", and 71 and 92mm AP pen vs it. I say it's "good" now. As it's a tier III, and tier III don't see tier 5 anymore. As it's HE was rather useless vs tier 5 HT's tbh.



Suurpolskija #7 Posted 05 July 2017 - 04:52 AM

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If they would be afraid of balance, they wouldn't spam the markets with skorpions and patriots once a month.

Plus according to the forumite masses, arty is played by a 1% sub 400 wn8 minority anyway...

Spurtung #8 Posted 05 July 2017 - 07:27 AM

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View PostWindSplitter1, on 05 July 2017 - 02:26 AM, said:

All vehicle classes from all nations (except France) have premium tanks for all classes except SPGs.

 

Sweden has no premium heavy tank.

Czechoslovakia has no premium light tank.

 



gpalsson #9 Posted 05 July 2017 - 09:29 AM

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Aikl #10 Posted 05 July 2017 - 09:41 AM

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It's pretty obvious that one of the intentions behind the artillery rework was to reduce their numbers, simply by reducing/eliminating the chance of oneshotting tanks and getting a kick off of it. Can't see WG giving people a reason to play artillery, frankly, and if there's one class that (in particular after the viewrange nerfs) doesn't need much in the way of crew skills - it's artillery.

 

Oh, and I would guess that earnings would either be minimal, or WG would risk selling less credit packs in the prem shop.



Long_Range_Sniper #11 Posted 05 July 2017 - 01:14 PM

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Just sell a black version of the normal tech tree arty for €30. 

 

Black is the new OP.



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View PostWayneable, on 05 July 2017 - 02:45 AM, said:

I think this is a good idea, as long as they are max tier 4-5. Lord knows we do not need tier 8 premium arty in this game.

 

 

don't even have any true T8 premium TD's yet, except for the 3 german ones...

a T8 arty would make for something different other than heavies or mediums, with prior to the update a light or 2 thrown in...


Edited by Isharial, 05 July 2017 - 01:24 PM.


Balc0ra #13 Posted 05 July 2017 - 01:48 PM

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View PostLong_Range_Sniper, on 05 July 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

Just sell a black version of the normal tech tree arty for €30. 

 

Black is the new OP.

 

Well people would still buy it, if it was the right arty for them. But considering how few blacks the T34 and IS-6 sold on EU. It's not "all that". And when was the last time you did see one?



Cobra6 #14 Posted 05 July 2017 - 01:52 PM

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No, playing artillery should be discouraged as much as possible, not encouraged.

 

The playerbase is already bad enough, we don't need more people camping somewhere at the back wanting to do damage at the front.

Play actual tanks, improve your tactical insight/positioning and general playstyle.

 

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View PostCobra6, on 05 July 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

No, playing artillery should be discouraged as much as possible, not encouraged.

 

The playerbase is already bad enough, we don't need more people camping somewhere at the back wanting to do damage at the front.

Play actual tanks, improve your tactical insight/positioning and general playstyle.

 

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depends on what someone wants, ofcourse, arty is apparently a "less skilled" playstyle, but honestly, brawling isn't for everyone, and all types of playstyle should be encouraged, not told to go and get cancer

playing artillery should be encouraged, not discouraged, its part of the game, and people should be able to play the game whatever way they want provided they follow the rules of said game and contribute


 

id rather have people play artillery and like playing artillery, and stick around, than do what you say, play a heavy tank, don't play it right, hate playing it, then leave


 

just my 2 cents



HeidenSieker #16 Posted 05 July 2017 - 02:13 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 05 July 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

No, playing artillery should be discouraged as much as possible, not encouraged.

 

Nothing wrong with playing SPGs, especially since the changes. It can be fun, and is good for the team.

 

 

View PostCobra6, on 05 July 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

The playerbase is already bad enough, we don't need more people camping somewhere at the back wanting to do damage at the front.

 

What, like HTs, TDs, MTs, LTs as well as SPGs, all of which I regularly see camping "somewhere at the back", or players concerned only with their own stats who camp at the back to come out when they can get points in relative safety?



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WG keeps nerfing SPG's in order to make it un-fun and un-rewarding to play. 

Their intention is to reduce the number of people playing arty, not encourage more.

The problem is that they haven't got the stones to just remove all SPG's and compensate the players.

 

New premium artillery?  Better to wish for snowballs in hell.



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Fun fact: I have a steel wall in my Lefh.

 

That little bugger is a relaxing SPG to play. :arta:



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View PostHeidenSieker, on 05 July 2017 - 01:13 PM, said:

 

What, like HTs, TDs, MTs, LTs as well as SPGs, all of which I regularly see camping "somewhere at the back", or players concerned only with their own stats who camp at the back to come out when they can get points in relative safety?

 

That is a common misconception so I don't blame you for it. Those people who are good at the game (or what you call concerned with their stats) are found at the front lines for most of the battle at the start, but when they realise their team is camping somewhere at the rear and not in the proper position to support them they do a progressive retreat and indeed might end up behind you at some point.

 

Then the only thing players with this "camp at the back" notion remember is the unicum being at the back of the map, while forgetting all the frontline action and progressive retreat in the middle.

 

But that's fine, one day you might actually see it :)

 

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NO ONE gets consistent unicum stats by red-line sniping, it just doesn't happen. Simply because being at the back means you have very little active influence on the battle and only play reactive. You'll simply not win battle by it in the long run, to win battles you have to participate actively.

 

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View PostSpurtung, on 05 July 2017 - 06:27 AM, said:

View PostWindSplitter1, on 05 July 2017 - 02:26 AM, said:

All vehicle classes from all nations (except France) have premium tanks for all classes except SPGs.

 

Sweden has no premium heavy tank.

Czechoslovakia has no premium light tank.

 

Fixed. Obrigado.







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