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lord_chipmonk #21 Posted 05 July 2017 - 04:50 PM

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View PostPrincess_Ema, on 05 July 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

Whose statistics is made up ? if you mean me well go ahead and try it out for yourself but if you mean WG then yes because they say that their MM remembers how many times you were bottom tier and puts you in top tier + 3 5 7 system is prefered which is a lie because you are always bottom tier in 3 5 7 when playing tier 8 and i really don't think 1 top tier match in every 20 match is anything special for MM to be credited for. 

 

You took a perfectly reasonable point (tier 8 MM is rather messed up) and undermined it by giving some made up statistics. There was no need. Most people agree with you, at least if the posts on the forum here are to be believed and some people have even used some actual data to investigate it. You didn't need to make up numbers, which as I said, just undermines the point you're trying to make. 

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So I guess a single thread is easier to ignore rather than dozens of them complaining about the SAME issue (tier 8/platoon mm) ?

Not_DangerUXB_Thats4sure #23 Posted 05 July 2017 - 05:22 PM

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View PostJunglist_, on 05 July 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

So I guess a single thread is easier to ignore rather than dozens of them complaining about the SAME issue (tier 8/platoon mm) ?

 

This topic has always reaked of damage limitation ?

 

 

This single topic is pointless really as anyone who makes some good points worth noting get their posts buried by the trolls that frequent this topic...My guess is right now the frequent trolls are licking their chops at the re-opening of this topic.

 

 (Watch and see the same old same old faces that have been here since the topic started troll and derail)

 

 

Single topics on the same subject are not worth the screen they are typed on:sceptic:....diversity of opinions is better from multiple conversations..

 

 

 

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 05 July 2017 - 03:50 PM, said:

 

You took a perfectly reasonable point (tier 8 MM is rather messed up) and undermined it by giving some made up statistics. There was no need. Most people agree with you, at least if the posts on the forum here are to be believed and some people have even used some actual data to investigate it. You didn't need to make up numbers, which as I said, just undermines the point you're trying to make. 

 

Last time i played tier 8 i played around 20 battles and only once i was in a full tier 8 battle and rest was straight tier 10 so when 19 battles out of 20 are bottom tier i guess you know better that is not straight 95% right ? need to pass math class again or something ? not to mention that you stated A-tier 8 MM is messed up and then B-i made up numbers when i said it is ultra rare when you are top tier which these 2 A and B that you said yourself are counteracting each other  considering that even if half of the battle you were top tier and half bottom tier there wouldn't be a problem and you also wouldn't say there is a big problem but maybe you are arguing over that if my 99% is in fact 98% ?

Arty_Loves_You #25 Posted 05 July 2017 - 05:46 PM

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I think the MM is better than it was, for sure, but there is an issue with platooning that needs a look at or an explanation as to why it is the way it is.

 

Being bottom tier 8's in a tier 10 match will make the advantage of platooning with friends and co-ordinating redundant.



SlenderMoose #26 Posted 05 July 2017 - 06:05 PM

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View PostArty_Loves_You, on 05 July 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

I think the MM is better than it was, for sure, but there is an issue with platooning that needs a look at or an explanation as to why it is the way it is.

 

Being bottom tier 8's in a tier 10 match will make the advantage of platooning with friends and co-ordinating redundant.

 

No MM would be better if they implemented as they said they would. Being low tier 85 procent of your games in tier 8 is NOT good. Being low tier 95 procent of the time in platoon is NOT good.
With that said I like the new MM system if WG can get it to work as it was said it would.

lord_chipmonk #27 Posted 05 July 2017 - 06:35 PM

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View PostPrincess_Ema, on 05 July 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

Fix tier 8 and tier 10 MM , when playing tier 8 99% of the times you are in tier 10 MM and 0.9% you are in tier 9 and if you are lucky 0.1% in a full tier 8 MM , and same applies to tier 10 99% of the times you see full tier 10 and rarely see tier 9 or 8 (except if you play when player base is low like late nights or early mornings)

EDIT: Also what i noticed which is either a bug or whatever is that whenever you play tier 10 arty it is guaranteed that 9 out of 10 battles you are top tier , i don't understand this really.

 

Above is your original post, according to which "when playing tier 8 99% of the times you are in tier 10 MM and 0.9% you are in tier 9 and if you are lucky 0.1% in a full tier 8 MM".

 

In your post below you claim that in your experience it was 19/20 games as bottom tier. This is 95%. And yes, I take issue with this. At best it is misleading (intentionally or otherwise) and at worst it is lying. How do you expect WG to listen to anything any of us say on these forums if people are just making stuff up? Sorry if it comes across as harsh, but there it is. Hopefully you see what I mean. 

 

View PostPrincess_Ema, on 05 July 2017 - 05:40 PM, said:

Last time i played tier 8 i played around 20 battles and only once i was in a full tier 8 battle and rest was straight tier 10 so when 19 battles out of 20 are bottom tier i guess you know better that is not straight 95% right ? need to pass math class again or something ? not to mention that you stated A-tier 8 MM is messed up and then B-i made up numbers when i said it is ultra rare when you are top tier which these 2 A and B that you said yourself are counteracting each other  considering that even if half of the battle you were top tier and half bottom tier there wouldn't be a problem and you also wouldn't say there is a big problem but maybe you are arguing over that if my 99% is in fact 98% ?


TheTankGarage #28 Posted 05 July 2017 - 07:48 PM

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"Instead of doing anything about the actual matchmaker that's completely broken right now, we'll just close any thread trying to talk about it. It's not a problem as long as we control what people can talk about"

 

Truly great effort WG. Truly impressed by your lack of shits given as a gamedeveloper. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I were you.

 

View Postlord_chipmonk, on 05 July 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

 

You took a perfectly reasonable point (tier 8 MM is rather messed up) and undermined it by giving some made up statistics. There was no need. Most people agree with you, at least if the posts on the forum here are to be believed and some people have even used some actual data to investigate it. You didn't need to make up numbers, which as I said, just undermines the point you're trying to make. 

 

Here are some none made up stats (1/20 as top tier is generous): 

 

https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing

 

My recent WN8 was well over 2k and winrate almost 60% before I tried this debacle...


 

Edited by Nohe21, 06 July 2017 - 08:27 AM.


lord_chipmonk #29 Posted 05 July 2017 - 08:58 PM

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View PostTheTankGarage, on 05 July 2017 - 07:55 PM, said:

Here are some none made up stats (1/20 as top tier is generous): 

 

https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing

 

My recent WN8 was well over 2k and winrate almost 60% before I tried this debacle...

 

I did similar for tier 8 only for a short while and got something like a 3:5:4 ratio. Small sample size though. 

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 05 July 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

 

Above is your original post, according to which "when playing tier 8 99% of the times you are in tier 10 MM and 0.9% you are in tier 9 and if you are lucky 0.1% in a full tier 8 MM".

 

In your post below you claim that in your experience it was 19/20 games as bottom tier. This is 95%. And yes, I take issue with this. At best it is misleading (intentionally or otherwise) and at worst it is lying. How do you expect WG to listen to anything any of us say on these forums if people are just making stuff up? Sorry if it comes across as harsh, but there it is. Hopefully you see what I mean. 

 

 

Figured you were a troll with so much free time to talk BS over 95% or 99% , tier 8 is most of the times bottom tier that is a fact and now keep this topic clear of your spams and childish arguments .

EDIT : Oh no WG will definitely listen to a kid like you who is looking for some arguments that even a 3 years old will not engage in , and you are definitely gonna be listened to when you make useless arguments over some numbers .

That was my last quote of your posts , not gonna waste more time on a troll when we need a fix here and the troll is only looking for wasting time.


Edited by Princess_Ema, 05 July 2017 - 10:10 PM.


bff2 #31 Posted 05 July 2017 - 10:31 PM

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Fix some missions for CAMPAIGN REWARDS bcs for this match making its inpossible to do MT-15 for T55A,almost always get same tier battle or if i get +2 almost never have chance to get theese tds...



Hobbewulf #32 Posted 05 July 2017 - 10:46 PM

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Its happening for sure. T8 is now messed up unless you buy the new premiums and play solo. Klaus Kelllerman has also commented on how some old T8 premiums now struggle to make credits to boost higher tier play in non premium tanks. Stats or no stats I have played regularly  with my brother now for nearly 2 years and have noticed that platooning has been penalised by lower tier MM matches to the point that we have difficulty enjoying it any more. You dont need to provide stats for the lawyers, trolls or number crunchers .... if the game doesnt feel right to a larger number of players then something is  wrong. 

 

Until the changes I was recently starting to rack up a decent win rate after nerfing myself earlier in my game progresion  by choosing the wrong tech lines ... now its all over the place.

 

I have played a lot of games over the years and many great ones which had an ethic and a great background story/gaming experience eventually get too big for themselves (hell to be fair WG has been big for some time!) and the number crunchers and marketing  complex takes over and destroys it but convinces us that we are benefiting from it.

 

But whats the point I am preaching to the converted, and the rest wont listen anyway.

 

I would rather wait 5 minutes in a queue for a good MM game than be chucked into one after 20s where I may die in the same time anyway, But I guess i have to take into account that some players have the attention span of a goldfish with alzheimers.



wEight_Tanker #33 Posted 05 July 2017 - 11:26 PM

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*plays in little otsu*

Doo dee doo

*falls off cliff*

Unbalanced mm rng unfair pay to win



K3ll4n #34 Posted 06 July 2017 - 07:04 AM

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hi gm's

Right now MM ist epic faild......

i cant good speak engilsh, but dies the lucky

i cant write much more

UNFAIR ROLL TANKS

THE ONE, GAME MAYBE 2-3 MIN.  = WIN OR LOUSE

BIG BIG *****

DO SHOMETING


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stewe2013 #35 Posted 06 July 2017 - 10:31 AM

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MM not bug it's feature! *Edited


Best tiers to play are t7 and t9 but what if you want to grind credits or train crews in t8 tanks... Its just stupid i played 20 GAMES today not ONE of them i was top tier all of them were tier 9 or higher NOT ONE tier 8 game, my winrate if going down the shitter and the game is becoming a huge drag to play like this... Any toughts?

 
ps I didn't exaggerate when I wrote that I didn't get into a single T8 game... (that is 0% of top tier games in tier 8 tanks)
 


Edited by Nohe21, 06 July 2017 - 01:32 PM.
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GrleREB #36 Posted 06 July 2017 - 10:37 AM

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I'll give some numbers from my morning 'enjoyable' experience. And I must tell you that this has become a pattern from 9.19 update. And I just want to say that I rarely complain but this MM is just broken and makes me feel hopeless even before entering the battle.

 

This morning I played 28 battles in T-44 (Tier 8) and Thunderbolt (Tier 6):
Statistics:
Bottom tier in 3-5-7 (14 times with both tanks)
T-44 - 7
Thund - 7
Bottom tier in 5-7 (7 times with both tanks)
T-44 - 6
Thund - 1
Middle tier in 3-5-7 (2 times with both tanks)
T-44 - 1
Thund - 1
All same tier in 15-0 (5 times with both tanks)
T-44 - 4
Thund - 1
 
Conclusion:
Bottom tier : 21 of 28 battles = 75%
Middle tier: 2 of 28 battles = 7.1%
Some tier: 5 of 28 battles = 17.9%
 
This morning I have never been top tier (excluding games with all same tier) (yesterday I actually have one game as top tier) and I have not engaged a single tank that was 2 tiers lower than mine tank. Only in two battles out of 28 I have actually seen tanks with lower tiers than mine - two f...... battles. And of course my winrate was 50% with WN8 around 1880.
I would like from someone from WG to tell me that this is fun and that this was an enjoyable experience. The potential to carry games is near 0%. I hope they will soon fix this MM because I'm loosing the will to play anymore. I just don't like to be always the underdog.

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thiextar #37 Posted 06 July 2017 - 12:45 PM

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And soon comes the wargaming controlled shills to hide away all of the mm issues by derailing everything.

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View Postthiextar, on 06 July 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

And soon comes the wargaming controlled shills to hide away all of the mm issues by derailing everything.

 

so true... 

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View Poststewe2013, on 06 July 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

 

so true... 

 

We should just make a pact that no one engages them in discussion, then they will become powerless, and we can actually have an intellegent discussion without wargaming being able to hide it all away

1ncompetenc3 #40 Posted 06 July 2017 - 01:35 PM

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Since my thread was locked and you apparently want to cram everything in one thread: 3-5-7 is a complete failure, which surprises absolutely nobody except WG employees.

 

Results in from 100 tier VIII battles:

 

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Battles played: 100

VI-VIII: 17

VII-VIII: 1

VII-IX: 18

VIII: 6

VIII-IX: 19

VIII-X: 39

 

I think that speaks for itself.

 

Tier VI results will be up within a week or so, if I manage to finish that run as tier VI isn't my thing to begin with and I've been getting annoyed more by my higher tier teammates than the fact I was bottom tier most of the time.


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