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_Anarchistic_ #1 Posted 07 July 2017 - 09:11 AM

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some tanks I am sucking bad in, mostly tds and I am not sure if its the tank or the teams?

 

grille I used to love but wg destroyed it, last 105 games 29 wins but my MOE have gone up (maybe that got easier as good players don't bother with it anymore as it used to be fun now its just crap)

udes, 40%wr but having plenty good games in it

 

so is it the nature of these tanks that they are camping/sniper tanks or is it the nature of the teams as when I play these tanks my teams just seem to sit on redline and wait to die.  

 

at least when in a medium I can spot and thus provide my team mates who are scared to play a game something to shoot at, but in these tanks active play is not possible as I become part of the problem and team dependent


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Kozzy #2 Posted 07 July 2017 - 09:22 AM

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Your team is different each time you play.  You and the tank are the same each time so it has to be one of those, really.  To find out which just look at the overall stats for the Grille - are you maintaining similar stats or worse/better?  I think realistically, over the course of those games it's likely to be a combination of RNG/you sucking in it.  A bit like me sucking in the T62a, I just can't figure out why but I do, despite enjoying playing it.

_Anarchistic_ #3 Posted 07 July 2017 - 09:24 AM

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View PostKozzy, on 07 July 2017 - 09:22 AM, said:

Your team is different each time you play.  You and the tank are the same each time so it has to be one of those, really.  To find out which just look at the overall stats for the Grille - are you maintaining similar stats or worse/better?  I think realistically, over the course of those games it's likely to be a combination of RNG/you sucking in it.  A bit like me sucking in the T62a, I just can't figure out why but I do, despite enjoying playing it.

 

grille I have gone from 62% wr to under 50 since it was nerfed, that has to be the nerf

 

other tds I play that have turrets I am good in, but I play those more front line, not sniping

 



Kozzy #4 Posted 07 July 2017 - 09:27 AM

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We need someone with the vbAddict curves to take a more analytical approach.

_Anarchistic_ #5 Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:17 AM

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nah, its really the teams, been looking at players, too many guys at high tiers with 0 games verses players with 30k or more games.  MM has to sort that crapout

 



Sir_Bad #6 Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:20 AM

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View PostStewie2ie, on 07 July 2017 - 08:11 AM, said:

some tanks I am sucking bad in, mostly tds and I am not sure if its the tank or the teams?

 

For the most part, tanks which rely on others for doing their dmg like the UDES will have lower winrates regardless of the player in it. They simply lack the characteristics to take the lead in a situation where a medium or a heavy could carry its team by, for example, playing more aggressive and binding enemies.

 

The Grille on the other hand is one of the few paper tds that can carry games very well even after the nerf.



Kozzy #7 Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:28 AM

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View PostStewie2ie, on 07 July 2017 - 09:17 AM, said:

nah, its really the teams, been looking at players, too many guys at high tiers with 0 games verses players with 30k or more games.  MM has to sort that crapout

 

 

Yeah you need to check your logic on this one.  Hint: if players are getting worse then they are getting worse for BOTH teams on average.  Unless, of course, you are one of these 'game is being rigged against me' fruit-cakes?

_Anarchistic_ #8 Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:30 AM

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perfect example

 

http://wotreplays.co...ewie2ie-udes_03

 

next game

 

http://wotreplays.co...ewie2ie-udes_03

http://wotreplays.co...ewie2ie-udes_03

 

 

 


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Kozzy #9 Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:55 AM

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Great 3 games... totally negates the 100,000s of other games played in the Grille.  In fact you've played like 100 or so games in it.  

 

Do you feel the same way about other tanks you have bad stats for?  You gonna blame the teams you get for those too?



_Anarchistic_ #10 Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:03 AM

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View PostKozzy, on 07 July 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

Great 3 games... totally negates the 100,000s of other games played in the Grille.  In fact you've played like 100 or so games in it.  

 

Do you feel the same way about other tanks you have bad stats for?  You gonna blame the teams you get for those too?

 

most other tanks I am fine in, and if not great when I have fully researched tehm I can drive the win rates up

 



Kozzy #11 Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:06 AM

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All these tanks you seem to play at a similar level:

 

46 Nashorn TD DE 6 214 47.20%
47 JagdPz IV TD DE 6 108 47.22%
48 Cromwell MT GB 6 145 47.59%
49 M18 Hellcat TD US 6 42 47.62%
50 M41 Wallker Bulldog LT US 7 243 47.74%
51 G121 Grille 15 L63 TD DE 10 111 47.75%
52 AMX 13 75 LT FR 7 113 47.79%

 

Are the Cromwell. Hellcat and Bulldog equally under-powered?

 



_Anarchistic_ #12 Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:23 AM

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View PostKozzy, on 07 July 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

All these tanks you seem to play at a similar level:

 

46 Nashorn TD DE 6 214 47.20%
47 JagdPz IV TD DE 6 108 47.22%
48 Cromwell MT GB 6 145 47.59%
49 M18 Hellcat TD US 6 42 47.62%
50 M41 Wallker Bulldog LT US 7 243 47.74%
51 G121 Grille 15 L63 TD DE 10 111 47.75%
52 AMX 13 75 LT FR 7 113 47.79%

 

Are the Cromwell. Hellcat and Bulldog equally under-powered?

 

 

​if you check I not played those for 18? months, they were when I was a very new player, except grille which as I said since the nerf I stink in




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