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SABAOTH #1 Posted 08 July 2017 - 06:17 AM

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Everyone loves Leopard 1, me, you, arty, is such a cute tenk that when it appears on the map everyone stops what they are doing, just to zoom at it's beauty and send love messages to it. Because like other Kittens it does have a soft fur, nice shape, high profile and very, very beautiful "purrr" sounds when your shell gets in contact with its soft body :girl:

 

 

But the kitty got claws. They are beautifully, sharp and... curved?

The gun looks amazing on paper, but I cannot figure why it just does not like the center of reticle.

 

I play it like a support for more armored tanks, I try to snipe from no less than 200-250 m if I have some cover and can use that beautiful camo, if I am forced in the open I keep outside the spotting range and keep supporting.

I don't know if it is me, but I cannot get this gun to behave like other: the shells hate the center, I can count on one hand the number of times that they get even close to the center of the reticle.

 

When I snipe it feels almost as bad as sniping with BC 25T: you aim a weakspot of a stationary tank completely in the open: shells goes, up, down, left, right, turret, ground, gun... everywhere but where you are aiming.

 

What is the reason? Is it because the gun is British and WoT considers British guns must behave like a bunch of loltraktors in Mittengard?

 

If it would have a predictable pattern like the Skorpion G, with bullet attracted to the ground like a black hole, I could compensate by aiming a bit higher.

But I really cannot do that with Leopard. :( How do you compensate that dispersion? Should I aim outside the tank and hoping that those bullets will randomly fall on the desired spot? Autoaim and Gold? (Gold fixes the problem partially, but I am not really looking forward to the bills, plus tracks and spaced armor that are on the flanks I usually aim troll Heat often).

 

Please give me some useful tip, I have a terrible experience having 1/3 hit ratio and 2k average damage (unless spamming gold) that is terrible for what should be the most accurate tank in the game and even for my standards. Is as bad as my accuracy with BC 25 T, but without autoloader and a rather slow rate of fire.

 

What am I doing wrong? Should I go brawling or under 100m to reliably "snipe" my targets? (I hope not, because it hits but my experience is pretty negative when I am in close combat with it)

 

Or should I replace all APCR with HE and at least doing some extra damage from afar? :amazed:

(Not even thinking about firing on the move with that thing, it can miss the castle of Himmeldorf at 20 m when is moving. :P)

 

Shoot your hints (And don't miss!) :honoring:

 

 


Edited by SABAOTH, 08 July 2017 - 06:20 AM.


RamRaid90 #2 Posted 08 July 2017 - 06:25 AM

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Leopard 1 has an extremely accurate gun, however it actually has some of the worst movement dispersion values.

 

The slightest twinge can ruin your aim completely.

 

I recommend tuning down your mouses DPI to avoid any unwanted aim flare, and you must be sat deadly still in order to hit.


Edited by RamRaid90, 08 July 2017 - 06:26 AM.


SABAOTH #3 Posted 08 July 2017 - 06:29 AM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 08 July 2017 - 06:25 AM, said:

Leopard 1 has an extremely accurate gun, however it actually has some of the worst movement dispersion values.

 

The slightest twinge can ruin your aim completely.

 

I recommend tuning down your mouses DPI to avoid any unwanted aim flare, and you must be sat deadly still in order to hit.

 

Can you set it in the options? Because after some threshold it feels like you are moving the mouse through honey. What's the best setting?

RamRaid90 #4 Posted 08 July 2017 - 06:34 AM

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View PostSABAOTH, on 08 July 2017 - 05:29 AM, said:

 

Can you set it in the options? Because after some threshold it feels like you are moving the mouse through honey. What's the best setting?

 

With amost all newer gaming mouses there is a button on the mouse itself to switch between preset DPI settings (High, Normal, Low). If you don't already have one you can pick them up from amazon starting at around 10 euros.

 

If this is not an option for you, then you can set the DPI in the hardware settings on your computer, this option varies depending on your OS so a quick google search should help you out.

 

The gaming mouse is the better option as you need a higher DPI for outside of sniper mode, and this allows you to quickly switch values for more comfortable gameplay.

 


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SABAOTH #5 Posted 08 July 2017 - 08:02 AM

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I tried to set the sniper reticle sensitivity to zero, it is almost like jelly.

 

The dispersion at 300 m is still same trollish, but I am sure is not influenced by the click (I need to really move the mouse far to have the reticle start moving).

 

I don't shoot moving targets to avoid the bloom, but same results. :amazed:



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Well i can say that it's not you it's the tank. Leopard 1 needs a big buff for it's soft stats, currently it's one of the worst tier 10-tank

Dr_Oolen #7 Posted 08 July 2017 - 08:27 AM

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i recommend selling that useless pos

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View PostDr_Oolen, on 08 July 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

i recommend selling that useless pos

 

BUt everywhere I read is considered the best sniper in game and one of the best tier X. :amazed:

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View PostSABAOTH, on 08 July 2017 - 07:44 AM, said:

 

BUt everywhere I read is considered the best sniper in game and one of the best tier X. :amazed:

On the current map selection, it's quite terrible imo. 



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View PostSABAOTH, on 08 July 2017 - 07:44 AM, said:

 

BUt everywhere I read is considered the best sniper in game and one of the best tier X. :amazed:

 

It's just a missconseption. Ask any purple player and he will tell you it's a bad tank.

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It's a pretty damn bad tank but when fully aimed, I feel like the gun is reliable. As soon as you move the aiming circle becomes massive though.

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View PostHiisi, on 08 July 2017 - 09:04 AM, said:

 

It's just a missconseption. Ask any purple player and he will tell you it's a bad tank.

I like the leopard and i think its quite a good tank, hard to play yes but lots of potential.

 

And idk what u are talking about OP, my leopard is a freaking laser, if i aim a little bit, it will hit its target, a much more reliable gun than any medium in my garage. Even snapshots work quite decently. Its all in your mind dude.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 08 July 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

I like the leopard and i think its quite a good tank, hard to play yes but lots of potential.

 

And idk what u are talking about OP, my leopard is a freaking laser, if i aim a little bit, it will hit its target, a much more reliable gun than any medium in my garage. Even snapshots work quite decently. Its all in your mind dude.

 

What I intend as laser is something that shoots dead center.

 

Panther 88 is having this, Lowe too. Mutz, Centurion and Leopard do not.

 

Is there some graphic about the dispersion withing the reticle? 

Hit I hit, but not the weakspot you I am aiming unless is at close range is not reliable. It used to be better when there was the accuracy patch long time ago.

 

All I could find is a video of a guy trying Leopard 1 vs KV2 at 300 m. The reticle of Leo is laser compared to KV 2 but the spread of shells is pretty similar at that distance.

 

 

This, but is a bit old, last year. No idea if it is still actual.



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View PostSABAOTH, on 08 July 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:

 

What I intend as laser is something that shoots dead center.

 

Panther 88 is having this, Lowe too. Mutz, Centurion and Leopard do not.

 

Is there some graphic about the dispersion withing the reticle? 

Hit I hit, but not the weakspot you I am aiming unless is at close range is not reliable. It used to be better when there was the accuracy patch long time ago.

 

All I could find is a video of a guy trying Leopard 1 vs KV2 at 300 m. The reticle of Leo is laser compared to KV 2 but the spread of shells is pretty similar at that distance.

 

 

This, but is a bit old, last year. No idea if it is still actual.

 

The spread in the circle is the same for all tanks in the game.

The only reason to feel a difference is by factors that affect the feel off accuracy, not the actuall accuracy:

-bad dispersion values

-low shell velocity

- confirmation bias

 

EDIT: wathed the video, and that video  shows your claim are wrong, as you can see, the leopard hit pretty much always where it aimed, and the only shot it missed  was only 1/4 of a radius away from center. So still very close to exact.

I played the wz1321 with 0,4 acc and then the leopard with 0,3. and believe me, there is a massive difference, the WZ132 1 cant snipe and misses shots all over the place, hits tracks of tanks instead of the hull etc, whereas the leopard  does not and hits where its supposed to. 


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View Postbrumbarr, on 08 July 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

 

The spread in the circle is the same for all tanks in the game.

The only reason to feel a difference is by factors that affect the feel off accuracy, not the actuall accuracy:

-bad dispersion values

-low shell velocity

- confirmation bias

 

Then how can it be the most reliable gun for the mediums?

 

Amx and E 50 M are identical, T 62A is only slightly worse (but can afford to closer engagements so is more flexible).

 

 



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View PostSABAOTH, on 08 July 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

 

Then how can it be the most reliable gun for the mediums?

 

Amx and E 50 M are identical, T 62A is only slightly worse (but can afford to closer engagements so is more flexible).

 

 

 

How do you mean? 

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View Postbrumbarr, on 08 July 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

 

How do you mean? 

 

The dispersion values are the same.

 

I don't know, if you have time we might try to see in the training room. In about 2 hours I have some time to play with it.

 

There might be a work around to the dispersion to learn how to snipe.



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Then how can it be the most reliable gun for the mediums?

 

EDIT: and the forum ate my well written long post, nice one WG


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View PostSABAOTH, on 08 July 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

The dispersion values are the same.

 

I don't know, if you have time we might try to see in the training room. In about 2 hours I have some time to play with it.

 

There might be a work around to the dispersion to learn how to snipe.

 

Its the most accurate gun when fully aimed, not the most relialbe gun, that prob goes to the T62a.

The reason is prob a perception difference, I dont do anything special ( I run vstabs, optics, rammer, bia,   snap shot, smooth ride, food)

Its prob a bias, you expect the accurate gun to hit, so when it hits, you dont think anything of it, but when it misses you notice and remember, same for innacurate guns, you dont expect to hit, so when you do , you remember that more.  So you have this bias where you only recall situations where the accurate gun missed and inaccurate guns hit. So you think the acc is wrong where its just a human bias.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 08 July 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

 

Its the most accurate gun when fully aimed, not the most relialbe gun, that prob goes to the T62a.

The reason is prob a perception difference, I dont do anything special ( I run vstabs, optics, rammer, bia,   snap shot, smooth ride, food)

Its prob a bias, you expect the accurate gun to hit, so when it hits, you dont think anything of it, but when it misses you notice and remember, same for innacurate guns, you dont expect to hit, so when you do , you remember that more.  So you have this bias where you only recall situations where the accurate gun missed and inaccurate guns hit. So you think the acc is wrong where its just a human bias.

 

Could be, but I am comparing the hit ratio of tanks that I play as snipers and this is the results:

 

  • Leopard 1 69%
  • T62A 68%
  • Grille 15 74%
  • T 10 71%
  • WT E 100 75%
  • E 50 70%

 

All considered of the existing tanks the best performers are T 10, E 50 and Grille.

T 62A and Leo are quite close but the T62A has better performances, at least for me.







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