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BIG__CAT #1 Posted 08 July 2017 - 03:06 PM

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ever since the latest update the  MM has gone alot worse, tier 8 tanks face tier 10 more than every now,

 

also 9 times out of 10 all the decent players are one team,

 

something isnt working correctly

 

 

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Cobra6 #2 Posted 08 July 2017 - 03:15 PM

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Yeah I saw them platooned on our TS :)

 

Nothing to see here, according to WG everything is fine. Just as giving one team all the heavy armour and one team the mediums. All fine and working as intended™

 

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MutantLeech #3 Posted 08 July 2017 - 03:18 PM

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Dude what's the question?

Hammerhead20 #4 Posted 08 July 2017 - 04:35 PM

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Something isn't working? Are you sure about that?

 

According to WG, everything is "working as intended"...



WindSplitter1 #5 Posted 08 July 2017 - 10:56 PM

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I dunno why that's a problem.
 

Simply means more HP and exp to farm. Nothing a Skorpion G could solve... muhahaha! :)



RamRaid90 #6 Posted 08 July 2017 - 10:59 PM

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So...if i understand the OP correctly...

 

He wants the MM to be rigged so it places good players on his team too so that he has someone to carry his butt through battles. Rather than attempt to learn how to play properly.

 

Nail...Head?


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Homer_J #7 Posted 08 July 2017 - 11:24 PM

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View PostBIG__CAT, on 08 July 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

 

also 9 times out of 10 all the decent players are one team,

 

 

Then become a decent player and you will be on that team.



japtank #8 Posted 08 July 2017 - 11:42 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 08 July 2017 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

Then become a decent player and you will be on that team.

 

Become a decent human being and you won't need to belittle people to exist anymore :bush:

 

To OP: did you win that game?

It happens from time to time to win a game around 20% win chance. Imagine the face of the 'invincinble' team: priceless!

 

More seriously, it has been asked for ages to avoid such situations (a bit extreme in your example but it happens).

WG's response is crystal clear: no.

 

Ranked battles are supposed to be a solution to this, except that the format fails to deliver for other reasons.

It has been said that in the future WG would like a better tool to evaluate players' performance, something in between XVM and what we have now.

Wait and see, if they ever come up with something good, maybe they'll use it for the matchmaking, but it isn't any time soon.

 



Homer_J #9 Posted 09 July 2017 - 12:00 AM

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View Postjaptank, on 08 July 2017 - 11:42 PM, said:

 

It happens from time to time to win a game around 20% win chance.

 

 

Once in every five battles I would imagine. If not then it's a useless figure.

 

What am I saying, we know it's a useless figure.

 

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you won't need to belittle people

I'm quite well known for defending people's right to be bad or even terrible at the game.  It is only a game.  But you can't be bad and expect, nay demand the game to put good players on your team to compensate.


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Tilly042 #10 Posted 09 July 2017 - 06:16 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 08 July 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

 

Once in every five battles I would imagine. If not then it's a useless figure.

 

What am I saying, we know it's a useless figure.

 

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you won't need to belittle people

I'm quite well known for defending people's right to be bad or even terrible at the game.  It is only a game.  But you can't be bad and expect, nay demand the game to put good players on your team to compensate.

OP is not demanding any such thing. You have said he wanted all the good players on his own team to carry his [edited]. He simply said all the good players were on the other team. I take that as he wants balance but some forumites simply can't help but abuse others. That's all some come to the forums for.



Homer_J #11 Posted 09 July 2017 - 06:29 AM

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View PostTilly042, on 09 July 2017 - 06:16 AM, said:

OP is not demanding any such thing.

Then what does he mean by "something isnt working correctly"?

 

Stop trying to defend him, he's just another one complaining he's badly done by because he gets put in a team full of players like himself.

 

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You have said he wanted all the good players on his own team to carry his handbag. He simply said all the good players were on the other team.

I said if he was a good player then either that wouldn't be the case or the magical matchmaker would have put him on the other team.  Either way, git gud and profit, or put up and shut up.

 

Next he will be saying he isn't a bad player it's just that the matchmaker always gives him bad teams, which implies there are no good players it's just the matchmaker puts them in teams of good players. But there are no good players so how does the matchmaker find good players to put with other good players in the good team.  And also OP can't be the only bad player who's not a bad player, all the bad players must be not bad players.  Now I'm really confused.


Edited by Homer_J, 09 July 2017 - 06:34 AM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 08 July 2017 - 10:59 PM, said:

So...if i understand the OP correctly...

 

He wants the MM to be rigged so it places good players on his team too so that he has someone to carry his butt through battles. Rather than attempt to learn how to play properly.

 

Nail...Head?

 

Aksing for some balance between classes (if not between "skills") should not be so much to ask...

ZlatanArKung #13 Posted 09 July 2017 - 06:42 AM

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View PostTilly042, on 09 July 2017 - 06:16 AM, said:

OP is not demanding any such thing. You have said he wanted all the good players on his own team to carry his [edited]. He simply said all the good players were on the other team. I take that as he wants balance but some forumites simply can't help but abuse others. That's all some come to the forums for.

 

If he wants to balance by skill. He wants to artificially risen all sub 49% WR players up to 49% and artificially lower all 49%+ WR players down to 49% WR.



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View Postdenisdenikr, on 09 July 2017 - 05:35 AM, said:

 

Aksing for some balance between classes (if not between "skills") should not be so much to ask...

 

To be hoenst I prefer unbalanced games occasionally.

 

Then again, I play a game because I like to be challenged. I don't want to play easy mode and get everything perfect so I have a 50/50 chance to win anything, wheres the fun if every game is just a coin flip to decide who wins?

 



Suurpolskija #15 Posted 09 July 2017 - 09:23 AM

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Since I returned to this game around april, I've just pretty much stopped caring about the teams. I do, however, wish that they would match ht's and mt's the same as other classes with top tier heavy getting a top tier heavy counterpart and so on. That's something that makes some games decided pretty much before the game starts.

Also, has anyone else noticed (solo) tier 8 MM being a lot better lately, or have my prayers to Serb been finally heard and I'm the only guy playing tier8 prems that gets most of my games against some other tiers than TierX... I've been feeling like this for a couple weeks already.

 

Maybe I should mark the MM's up for some time.



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View PostHomer_J, on 08 July 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

 

I'm quite well known for defending people's right to be bad or even terrible at the game.  It is only a game.  But you can't be bad and expect, nay demand the game to put good players on your team to compensate.

 

To be fair it's not entirely unreasonable to prefer that the MM didn't put battles together where the result is a foregone conclusion. As the objective is to win why create battles where that's been pretty much decided before the countdown timer has even finished? 



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View PostWindSplitter1, on 08 July 2017 - 09:56 PM, said:

I dunno why that's a problem.
 

Simply means more HP and exp to farm. Nothing a Skorpion G could solve... muhahaha! :)

 

Yeah judging by that sig, you sure do farm.

 

View PostSuurpolskija, on 09 July 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

Since I returned to this game around april, I've just pretty much stopped caring about the teams. I do, however, wish that they would match ht's and mt's the same as other classes with top tier heavy getting a top tier heavy counterpart and so on. That's something that makes some games decided pretty much before the game starts.

Also, has anyone else noticed (solo) tier 8 MM being a lot better lately, or have my prayers to Serb been finally heard and I'm the only guy playing tier8 prems that gets most of my games against some other tiers than TierX... I've been feeling like this for a couple weeks already.

 

Maybe I should mark the MM's up for some time.

 

 

Dno bout you but I got a T34 and just recently got the M4A1 Rev, and since I'm back in the game after a while I pretty much have to grind a crapton of credits, that being said. Out of probably 500 battles with the above mentioned tanks, maybe 50 of those were top tier (half of which was full Tier 8), 100 were with a couple 9's and rest were with 10's. Impossible to win so I just end up trying to farm damage for the creds.



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View Postjabster, on 09 July 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

 

To be fair it's not entirely unreasonable to prefer that the MM didn't put battles together where the result is a foregone conclusion. As the objective is to win why create battles where that's been pretty much decided before the countdown timer has even finished? 

 

If only skill was the decider and not tank picks for different teams or which spawn you get on certain maps.

 



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Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 09 July 2017 - 08:50 AM, said:

 

If only skill was the decider and not tank picks for different teams or which spawn you get on certain maps.

 

 

To me they all feed into the same thing.





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