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Should Pz. II J be nerfed?

  1. Yes. (34 votes [21.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.52%

  2. No. (124 votes [78.48%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 78.48%

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_SpartanWarrior_ #1 Posted 09 July 2017 - 03:17 AM

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as in title,nerf the pz 2 j armor a bit.

Edited by _SpartanWarrior_, 09 July 2017 - 03:18 AM.


1ncompetenc3 #2 Posted 09 July 2017 - 03:22 AM

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Take a moment to consider the poopstorm that would create among those who bought it at ridiculous prices (and I don't mean the gold bundles). As beautiful as it would be, WG wouldn't want to have to deal with that kind of fallout. Premium tanks are hands-off.

lafeel #3 Posted 09 July 2017 - 04:20 AM

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Yes, but you might as well forget about it.

uglycousin #4 Posted 09 July 2017 - 05:11 AM

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Didn`t they nerf it a bit anyway? Via new MM. And new tanks that can deal with it?

Orkbert #5 Posted 09 July 2017 - 07:36 AM

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View Post_SpartanWarrior_, on 09 July 2017 - 03:17 AM, said:

as in title,nerf the pz 2 j armor a bit.

 

I see you got the Pz.II D but only three battles with it. Do some more matches with it (about ~100 I'd say) and then think about the fact that the II J has the same gun but is a tier higher.

Joggaman #6 Posted 09 July 2017 - 07:37 AM

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The only upside of this tank is armour so, no. 

8126Jakobsson #7 Posted 09 July 2017 - 07:49 AM

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View Post1ncompetenc3, on 09 July 2017 - 03:22 AM, said:

Take a moment to consider the poopstorm that would create among those who bought it at ridiculous prices (and I don't mean the gold bundles). As beautiful as it would be, WG wouldn't want to have to deal with that kind of fallout. Premium tanks are hands-off.

 

I have only seen gold bundles so I was gonna say do whatever since no one have actually paid for it as it is pitched as a "free" bonus. As if.

DeathMetalDivision #8 Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:34 AM

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Nerf the armour and you destroy the tank. It's the only advantage the tank has and even the armour is not that good anymore as multiple "newer" tanks and TD's will pen it easily.

Cobra6 #9 Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:47 AM

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No, actually it should have its MM buffed because with the new MM mechanics, pref MM tanks are royally screwed over. Not only this one but also the T8 ones.

Most of your matches you are bottom tier all the time which does handicap this tank a lot.

 

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250swb #10 Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:47 AM

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View Post_SpartanWarrior_, on 09 July 2017 - 03:17 AM, said:

as in title,nerf the pz 2 j armor a bit.

 

 

Spartan warriors are supposed to be tough guys aren't they? Do you think Leonidas would have whined 'it's not fair' about the size of the Persian army at Thermopylae?



MR_FIAT #11 Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:53 AM

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PZ II J is only good when its top tier against new players(preferably with lots of tier 2s), Allot of the recent tanks can easely penn it and the II J and it struggles to penn much in return. not to mention the ridicilous cost to run the tank.

kripton69 #12 Posted 09 July 2017 - 12:16 PM

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Haven't played mine for a good while. Last played it during an artillery top of the tree when everything at higher tiers was unplayable. It's already very expensive to run and really bad against tier 4 tanks. I don't know what its matchmaking is like nowadays but if it sees a ton of tier 4 it's even less fun than it used to be.

 

I'm not saying it's balanced or that it should even exist but because it's tier 3 which is a broken tier that nobody should play for more than a few battles, and because it's very expensive to run, the actual problem is negligible. I have noticed that most players who whine about PZ II J(or any OP low tier tank really) are something like PZ I C pedóbears themselves.

 

It's not ruining SHs like Defender, it hasn't made tier 8 campaigns impossible to run and it's not making its owners tons of credits. Instead it's one of the most expensive tanks to run so even the players who actually own the tank rarely take it out.

 

The PZ II Jelly should be nerfed if it could be done without a sh*tstorm but since that's not an option it's just not worth the hassle. All in all it's a pretty harmless tank because of the reasons above and there are much more troublesome premiums in the game that should get attention.



WeekendWarrior #13 Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:03 PM

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Against tier 4 useless anyway and tier 1 gun make -50k+ per battle.

TheJumpMaster #14 Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:21 PM

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I paid good money for an OPed low tier seal clubber. When I have shite games, it makes me feel good.

ExclamationMark #15 Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:36 PM

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Yes, the armour is ridiculous. Thing is, even with 100% gold, you have at best a 1/4 chance to pen whatever tank you're shooting at.

mortalsatsuma #16 Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:37 PM

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I just straight up abandon every game i'm not top tier in mine as this way i only lose about 1.5K credits instead of about 50K+. 

TheJumpMaster #17 Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:39 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 09 July 2017 - 02:36 PM, said:

Yes, the armour is ridiculous. Thing is, even with 100% gold, you have at best a 1/4 chance to pen whatever tank you're shooting at.

 

It is only dangerous when you get close and personal. At a distance it is useless

Balc0ra #18 Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:39 PM

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Yeah I'm sure the majority that payed 99 euros for it won't mind that. Then again they recently buffed it by removing the 2 weak spots on the side. Not that it matters to 90% of the LT guns it faces anyway.

 

Then again you have 20K games. I'm sure you can pad the padders. Just play bait and force him to follow you into your TD line. As basically any TD has enough AP pen to bust a hole in his armor. That and he can't pen half the targets he faces either. So just find a French light tank to hide behind.

 

Sure some LT's don't have a chance even with gold on a 25% + roll. But there is always one that can pen him with ease. That's the one you need back up.



_SpartanWarrior_ #19 Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:45 PM

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New MM?Oh dont be kidding.I play T-45 to get my PR up,and 2 battles in row i got tier 2 vs pz 2 J.we lost that battle because armor too strong.I  saw the Marder 2 shooting him,5 shells,0 penetrates.That tank must be nerfed.

@TheJumpMaster even in distance he has good armor.Cant pen even with gold.Yeah,his trash minigun on distance is useless,but you cant pen it however.If i always go Tier 2 vs pz 2 j its impossible.

@Balc0ra i didnt have any back up of good tanks that can penetrate that tank.WE DIDNT EVEN HAVE IT!

@Orkbert i dont have PZ 2 D.I sold it because its bad tank.Even if im tank collector.

@250swb haha so funny.

 


Edited by _SpartanWarrior_, 09 July 2017 - 01:47 PM.


WeekendWarrior #20 Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:53 PM

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View Post_SpartanWarrior_, on 09 July 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

New MM?Oh dont be kidding.I play T-45 to get my PR up,and 2 battles in row i got tier 2 vs pz 2 J.we lost that battle because armor too strong.I  saw the Marder 2 shooting him,5 shells,0 penetrates.That tank must be nerfed.

@TheJumpMaster even in distance he has good armor.Cant pen even with gold.Yeah,his trash minigun on distance is useless,but you cant pen it however.If i always go Tier 2 vs pz 2 j its impossible.

@Balc0ra i didnt have any back up of good tanks that can penetrate that tank.WE DIDNT EVEN HAVE IT!

@Orkbert i dont have PZ 2 D.I sold it because its bad tank.Even if im tank collector.

@250swb haha so funny.

 

 






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