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Why the Defender/Object 252U will not be nerfed

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arthurwellsley #1 Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:17 AM

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Allegedly WG have said that the Defender/Object 252U is Overperforming on EU server, yet Underperforming on RU server. We have no way of seeing internal WG data, but you can pull the win rate graphs off the Russian website WotNews. Remarkably the graphs look different. As I do not speak Russian I cannot figure out whether the numbers behind the graphs point to something that is numercially significant, or it is within the margin of error. Anyone able to help?

 

On EU a 49% win rate account gets 54% win rate in a Defender, and

on EU a 50% win rate account gets 55% win rate in a Defender

 

On RU a 49% win rate account gets 53% win rate in a Defender, and

on RU a 50% win rate account gets 54% win rate in a Defender

 

Here are the two charts

EU first with enhanced win rate

Defender

RU now with less good win rate

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(Could note work out how to get the graphs to actually show in this post)

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Edited by arthurwellsley, 09 July 2017 - 11:25 AM.


Cobra6 #2 Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:22 AM

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So even more premium ammo spam on the RU server then or the skill level of the playerbase is somehow higher there?

 

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If defender was an English tank, they would nerf it 100 times so far :D

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View PostCobra6, on 09 July 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

So even more premium ammo spam on the RU server then or the skill level of the playerbase is somehow higher there?

 

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I'd say both, plus people play more aggressively.

arthurwellsley #5 Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:28 AM

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View PostCobra6, on 09 July 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

So even more premium ammo spam on the RU server then or the skill level of the playerbase is somehow higher there?

 

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You mean either (a) players not in Defenders on RU spam 2 button more against Defenders than EU players,

or (b) in general the RU player population is higher skilled so that they are able to deal with Defenders more easily than EU players?



arthurwellsley #6 Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:30 AM

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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 09 July 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

 

I'd say both, plus people play more aggressively.

 

Certainly on CT and SB servers when I play with RU players they are very aggressive compared to the EU and NA players, but is that just an aspect of the CT and SB where players can shoot all prem shells and not really worry about win rate etc? Does it actually play the same on standard RU servers?

SovietBias #7 Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:42 AM

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I'd say it is hard to argue that those graphs are not fundamentally the same. 1% might be significant, but can also be the result of less data on EU server. As far as I know, there were more players buying defender there, so I presume more people play it.

 

Edit: but I did not know that WG said specifically that it was not overperfoming on the Russian server. Where did they say that?


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Unforgiving_Destiny #8 Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:53 AM

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Because WG never nerf a premium tank as they stated a lot of times so i suggest you next time it is on sale get one for yourself and stop crying .

Steel_Patriot #9 Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:53 AM

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Got a 69% wr from solo 144 battles , straight up cant say its balanced. But it really is the only teir 8 you can reliably take up against teir x every battle (using your brain) and give it a fight



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 09 July 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

 

Certainly on CT and SB servers when I play with RU players they are very aggressive compared to the EU and NA players, but is that just an aspect of the CT and SB where players can shoot all prem shells and not really worry about win rate etc? Does it actually play the same on standard RU servers?

 

Yup. People generally complain less about the gold spam.

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 09 July 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

 

You mean either (a) players not in Defenders on RU spam 2 button more against Defenders than EU players,

or (b) in general the RU player population is higher skilled so that they are able to deal with Defenders more easily than EU players?

 

Yes, those :)

 

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josesalle #12 Posted 09 July 2017 - 12:16 PM

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Cry post.

GekkoGordon #13 Posted 09 July 2017 - 12:18 PM

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View PostPrincess_Ema, on 09 July 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

Because WG never nerf a premium tank as they stated a lot of times so i suggest you next time it is on sale get one for yourself and stop crying .

 

>Never

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>Nerfing old tier 8 premiums through powercreep



kripton69 #14 Posted 09 July 2017 - 12:21 PM

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That 1% difference between EU and RU is mostly a result of the metagame reasons methinks. I too have heard that the Russians are far more aggressive and actually like to play the game while camping(either hard camping or the "im not leaving this corner with my top tier heavy..." type) is more popular here in Europe. The Defender is still massively overperforming in Russia though, even if slightly less than here. 

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View PostPrincess_Ema, on 09 July 2017 - 10:53 AM, said:

Because WG never nerf a premium tank as they stated a lot of times so i suggest you next time it is on sale get one for yourself and stop crying .

 

They nerfed Lowe.

 

They nerfed Type 59.

 

They nerfed Suoper Pershing,

 

etc...



lord_chipmonk #16 Posted 09 July 2017 - 12:55 PM

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View Postzen_monk_, on 09 July 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

 

They nerfed Lowe.

 

They nerfed Type 59.

 

They nerfed Suoper Pershing,

 

etc...

 

Don't know about Type, but Lowe was not nerfed and after the SP nerf, WG offered a refund and said effectively they were not going to nerf premium tanks again. 

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 09 July 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

 

Don't know about Type, but Lowe was not nerfed and after the SP nerf, WG offered a refund and said effectively they were not going to nerf premium tanks again. 

 

Type 59 has only ever been buffed but most old players are convinced that WG has "nerfed it at least 3 times". Of course none of them have any evidence to show except the patch notes where it got minor nerfs and bigger buffs. It's been power crept to death and suffered from some changes(the recent blow to preferential matchmaking and, the older matchmaking changes, gold ammo for credits etc.) but that's not really the same thing.



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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 09 July 2017 - 12:55 PM, said:

 

Don't know about Type, but Lowe was not nerfed and after the SP nerf, WG offered a refund and said effectively they were not going to nerf premium tanks again. 

 

Type is far less agile than it used to be, and it used to be bouncier. But that was long time ago

CoDiGGo #19 Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:26 PM

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They should nerf defender, the nerfed defender sales and other heavies sales upturn compentates them widely for the small number of refunds

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View Postkripton69, on 09 July 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

 

Type 59 has only ever been buffed but most old players are convinced that WG has "nerfed it at least 3 times". Of course none of them have any evidence to show except the patch notes where it got minor nerfs and bigger buffs. It's been power crept to death and suffered from some changes(the recent blow to preferential matchmaking and, the older matchmaking changes, gold ammo for credits etc.) but that's not really the same thing.

 

Changing it's MM was a big nerf surely?






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