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I_DiD_ #1 Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:09 PM

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Like title question, and why they should remove it.

 

I buyed StrvS1, to have trainer for my only tech tree left and that are swedish TD's.

 

But siege mode make this tank utter garbage. This tank is only stong in sniping, in close combat he dont have  any chance to win any gun fight. 

 

It does not have armor, and 1k HP is 2 shoots for german 128mm TD's. While this TD don't have alpha or DPM to compasate every other things.

 

Siege mode should be instant and with no drawbacks in speed.



mortalsatsuma #2 Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:15 PM

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Can't tell if trolling or mentally retarded. I mean that. 

I_DiD_ #3 Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:19 PM

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View Postmortalsatsuma, on 09 July 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

Can't tell if trolling or mentally retarded. I mean that. 

 

Dude do you played StrvS1? As i see you didn't

 

And you got like from player which have 39% winratio in hes UDES3  hahha omg


Edited by I_DiD_, 09 July 2017 - 08:21 PM.


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Could take a little less, like half second, but is an interesting mechanic.

I_DiD_ #5 Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:26 PM

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View PostSABAOTH, on 09 July 2017 - 07:23 PM, said:

Could take a little less, like half second, but is an interesting mechanic.

 

2 second is indeed to much 

PointZero #6 Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:33 PM

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Since the whole Swedish TD line is basicly full of snipers with no armor apart from the tier X, the Strv S1 suits the line perfectly and lets you experience the only thing that makes the Swedish line special before you reach tier 8 in the techtree.

 

Tier 6 Ikv 65 Alt II: Sniper with 10-15mm of frontal armor, everything thrown in your general direction will overmatch and you're extremely vulnerable against HE. Lucky you, tier 6 is full of howitzers.

Tier 7 Ikv 90B: Sniper with 10-15mm of frontal armor, everything thrown in your general direction will overmatch and you're extremely vulnerable against HE. Equal tier SPG's will easily oneshot you with your 10mm of roof armor. Also the gun is not an improvement over the Ikv 65.

Tier 8 Udes 03: First TD on the line to get Siege mode, Sniper with 20mm of all around armor causing everything you meet in battle (61+ mm guns) to basicly overmatch your armor. Has the 2nd lowest HP pool out of non-SPG's at tier 8.

Tier 9 Strv 103-0: Sniper with armor that is overmatched by every gun that is over 120mm (Soviet heavies get 122mm or larger starting from tier 5) and mediums if they switch to HEAT. Has the lowest HP pool out of non-SPG's at tier 9.

Tier 10 Strv 103B: Sniper with actual workable armor and HEAT blocking grills. Can't really fight in close range.

 

Strv S1 VS Udes 03

Same alpha, same penetration, same hitpoints, S1 has better aimtime but worse dispersion, S1 has faster reload, S1 trades worse top speed for more armor and can bounce up to 90mm guns where as Udes is overmatched by everything it meets, S1 is more mobile in Siege mode 8km/h vs Udes 5km/h. Udes takes 2s to get into siege mode and 2s to get back into travel mode. Strv S1 takes 2s to get into siege mode and 1,3s to get back into travel mode.

 


Edited by PointZero, 09 July 2017 - 09:45 PM.


the_nebuchadnezzar #7 Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:43 PM

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Mommy, mommy, I want my tenk to have 2000 dmg per shot, 800 mm frontal armor and supersonic speed cause I „buyed„ it to train my crew and it`s only good for sniping. And everyone knows this is pay to win game and since I`ve paid money I demand to be auto-win machine...

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Rico_Shay #8 Posted 09 July 2017 - 09:11 PM

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There are always some drawbacks and sometimes they are needed other wise some tanks will be op. 

The strv has good pen, camo, accuracy and reverse speed.  The siege mode is s small price to pay when the rest is so good. 


Edited by Rico_Shay, 09 July 2017 - 09:13 PM.


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View PostI_DiD_, on 09 July 2017 - 09:09 PM, said:

Like title question, and why they should remove it.

 

I buyed StrvS1, to have trainer for my only tech tree left and that are swedish TD's.

 

But siege mode make this tank utter garbage. This tank is only stong in sniping, in close combat he dont have  any chance to win any gun fight. 

 

It does not have armor, and 1k HP is 2 shoots for german 128mm TD's. While this TD don't have alpha or DPM to compasate every other things.

 

Siege mode should be instant and with no drawbacks in speed.

 



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View PostI_DiD_, on 09 July 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

 

Dude do you played StrvS1? As i see you didn't

 

 

Nor did you.



Jigabachi #11 Posted 09 July 2017 - 10:31 PM

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I appreciate the amount of effort that went into creating this thread.
It's well researched, elaborate and full of logic and reason.
Sadly, WG won't listen. So sad.

Balc0ra #12 Posted 09 July 2017 - 10:42 PM

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View PostI_DiD_, on 09 July 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

 

And you got like from player which have 39% winratio in hes UDES3  hahha omg

 

Play the UDES with the stock gun and come back to me. You can't even carry a game as top tier. As you can't pen or overmatch even a tier 6 HT.

 

But.. IMO no. The way it works when you have it on, vs off. It should take a sec or two to activate it. Getting out of it should be faster I can agree, but not when you turn it on. If it was instant, then you might as well remove it and give the Swedish TD's elevation and traverse on the gun, vs having it locked to the hull. UDES have some liberties there, as the gun is not 100% locked to the hull and can move. And thus using auto aim when driving towards someone can actually work. 



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View PostI_DiD_, on 09 July 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

Like title question, and why they should remove it.

 

I buyed StrvS1, to have trainer for my only tech tree left and that are swedish TD's.

 

But siege mode make this tank utter garbage. This tank is only stong in sniping, in close combat he dont have  any chance to win any gun fight. 

 

It does not have armor, and 1k HP is 2 shoots for german 128mm TD's. While this TD don't have alpha or DPM to compasate every other things.

 

Siege mode should be instant and with no drawbacks in speed.

 

Strv S1 is quite all right, but if you didn't play any Swedish TDs with siege mode before, it might take you some time to get used to it. 

Sure you don't have the biggest alpha out there, but your alpha is high enough that enemy tanks can't just ignore you. One of the awesome things is that you can get a full use out of camo net and binos in siege mode unlike any other TD, not to mention that with 288 penetration you can shred Japanese sumo heavies and Maus without loading premium shells.

Yes Strv S1 is only good at sniping and it sucks at close combat like all high tier Swedish TDs, but these TDs are so much better at sniping than any other TD, so that kind of balances them out. 



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View PostI_DiD_, on 09 July 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

 

Dude do you played StrvS1? As i see you didn't

 

And you got like from player which have 39% winratio in hes UDES3  hahha omg

 

You should've tested the vehicle FIRST before commiting yourself to buy it and see if it suits your game style.

 

OBVIOUSLY WG isn't gonna remove Siege mode because you were not cautions enough to do your own research. Now you're pretty much stuck with the vehicle, as I'm sure CS won't refund used vehicles.

 

No disrespect intended but Tak tebe i nado.



Yakito #15 Posted 10 July 2017 - 01:40 AM

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Maybe learn how the cover system works, put some binoculars on the thing and be ready to hit that X and reverse as soon as you shoot if you feel there may be a spotter nearby.

 

Siege mode is great. And UDES is great. Cant say for StrvS1, but I guess they're similar so it's also an awesome tank.

Not for people that don't understand the basic mechanics though.

 

 



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View PostI_DiD_, on 09 July 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

Like title question, and why they should remove it.

 

I buyed StrvS1, to have trainer for my only tech tree left and that are swedish TD's.

 

But siege mode make this tank utter garbage. This tank is only stong in sniping, in close combat he dont have  any chance to win any gun fight. 

 

It does not have armor, and 1k HP is 2 shoots for german 128mm TD's. While this TD don't have alpha or DPM to compasate every other things.

 

Siege mode should be instant and with no drawbacks in speed.

It's a bloody sniper, of course it can't cope in close combat. Also, sometimes you don't need alpha or DPM, but a little damage where it counts. Also, if siege mode where instant, it would be 1) grossly historically inaccurate and 2) utterly unfair for opponents. If there was no speed deprivation in siege mode, everyone who had and S-tank or the UDES 03 would just go around in siege mode all the time. There would be no point in going out of siege mode, and therefore there would be no point in it existing. What I'm trying to say is that you are just another useless forum troll, one of the many who give this forum a bad name. Thank you, goodbye. 



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View PostI_DiD_, on 09 July 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

Like title question, and why they should remove it.

 

I buyed StrvS1, to have trainer for my only tech tree left and that are swedish TD's.

 

But siege mode make this tank utter garbage. This tank is only stong in sniping, in close combat he dont have  any chance to win any gun fight. 

 

It does not have armor, and 1k HP is 2 shoots for german 128mm TD's. While this TD don't have alpha or DPM to compasate every other things.

 

Siege mode should be instant and with no drawbacks in speed.

 

Also, you are butchering the English language. Either learn it properly or go off to your first language's forum section.

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View PostI_DiD_, on 09 July 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:

 

2 second is indeed to much 

 

I'd like all my tanks to have instant reload but it isn't going to happen for the very same reasons siege mode takes some time. In real life it takes 11 seconds for those Swedish TD's to get into a firing position, so think yourself lucky it only takes 2 seconds in the game.

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I like the swedish TD like and siege mode makes it unique and interesting

Rico_Shay #20 Posted 10 July 2017 - 05:13 AM

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