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Pattons going on Supertest again: Where is the M60?


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Cobra6 #1 Posted 10 July 2017 - 09:43 AM

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From TAP:

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– By the way, several vehicles will appear on the supertest next week. We’ll test the Pattons – M46 and M48A1. They are almost all right, except that they aren’t very popular vehicles. Big turret, many weakspots. The vehicle is basically made obsolete by all other mediums. They lack something in the overall characteristics.

 

If this is the case that the Pattons are obsolete due to the other mediums, then why is the M60 not included in the rebalancing? It's basically an inferior Patton as it has even lower DPM.

If you are going to buff the Pattons to make them competitive again, the M60 needs to get buffed significantly as well, especially in DPM.

 

If the Pattons are bad, then the M60 is terrible following this logic.

 

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h4ctor #2 Posted 10 July 2017 - 09:50 AM

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because very few people own m60,its irrelevant

brumbarr #3 Posted 10 July 2017 - 09:55 AM

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View Posth4ctor, on 10 July 2017 - 09:50 AM, said:

because very few people own m60,its irrelevant

What logic is that? [edited]those 6000 people! Who cares about them!  

Pissing off people is never a good idea, especially when you can avoid it. Its not like they piss anyone off bu buffing it.



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Maybe they'll buff it too, eventually.

They obviously can't change all tanks stats at the same time so they're going step by step.

JocMeister #5 Posted 10 July 2017 - 10:06 AM

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If they just remove/buff the silly frigging cupola and give them some more armor on the turret the Pattons would be excellent. Also buff the PEN on the M46 obviously. 218 PEN...come on dude. 

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View Postbrumbarr, on 10 July 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

What logic is that? [edited]those 6000 people! Who cares about them!  

Pissing off people is never a good idea, especially when you can avoid it. Its not like they piss anyone off bu buffing it.

 

nobody cares,thats what im trying to tell you,its irrelevant issue in grand scheme of things and no company will alocate resources to solve irrelevant issues

 

they wouldnt even hire an intern to write a post about how they dont care :teethhappy:



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This is going to be good...



brumbarr #8 Posted 10 July 2017 - 10:32 AM

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View Posth4ctor, on 10 July 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

 

nobody cares,thats what im trying to tell you,its irrelevant issue in grand scheme of things and no company will alocate resources to solve irrelevant issues

 

they wouldnt even hire an intern to write a post about how they dont care :teethhappy:

6000 unhappy customers is not irrelevant



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How about also giving the USA a second medium line leading to a tech tree M60A1 Patton? That should have been ingame since 2016. Then you could buff/nerf the Clan Wars reward M60 to be the equivalent (or maybe, heresy, slightly worse than the tech tree one).

Edited by arthurwellsley, 10 July 2017 - 10:33 AM.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 10 July 2017 - 10:32 AM, said:

6000 unhappy customers is not irrelevant

 

sure if WG had 100k customers 6000 would be significant...among milions they have its not even a fart in hurricane - and btw its not like they will stop playing, being unhappy is just an empty threat because you will keep playing and paying anyway because there is no alternative to wot

 

dont you just love capitalism? :teethhappy: 



Danger__UXB #11 Posted 10 July 2017 - 10:41 AM

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I really like the M48 Patton...Dunno just something about it?

 

Its only slightly slower than the 'Hover meds' at 45 kph so cant really see that as a noticable downside but the gun with 1.6 aimtime (With BIA and cola) make this a fun tank and quite capable  if you can get

hulldown/Peekaboo??

 

Turret is quite bouncy if you keep moving..

 

V/R is awesome and a such kinda nullifies its bad cammo rating..

 

DPM with BIA and cola at 3542 is great..

 

 

The way to buff this tank nicely is to lose that wart on its head...then it would be (In my eyes) very competitive and a must have for those that dont already have one...

 

 

I love it


Edited by Danger_UXB_, 10 July 2017 - 10:42 AM.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 10 July 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

What logic is that? [edited]those 6000 people! Who cares about them!

Pissing off people is never a good idea, especially when you can avoid it. Its not like they piss anyone off bu buffing it.

 

They can always jump in to their Obj907s

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View PostCmdRatScabies, on 10 July 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

 

They can always jump in to their Obj907s

Which should be nerfed, but i guess its irrevamt aswell since only 10000 people have it. 



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View PostJocMeister, on 10 July 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

If they just remove/buff the silly frigging cupola and give them some more armor on the turret the Pattons would be excellent. Also buff the PEN on the M46 obviously. 218 PEN...come on dude. 

 

Yep, change the turret to the M48A5 variant and M60 to M60A3 later version where they omitted the cupola. 

 

And yes, M46 give it APCR as standard. Shell velocity and pen are worse than with the Chinese light tank ffs.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 10 July 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

6000 unhappy customers is not irrelevant

 

The problem is Brum that of those 6k how many actually play the game anymore? it hasn't been available for a while now and the original CW players have long since gone (well most of them). Wg will continue to cater to the masses and they don't even know what the M60 is. I'd warrant that the PZ 72 thingy wouldn't have received anything if it was just an old reward tank still.

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View PostDrownape, on 10 July 2017 - 11:14 AM, said:

 

The problem is Brum that of those 6k how many actually play the game anymore? it hasn't been available for a while now and the original CW players have long since gone (well most of them). Wg will continue to cater to the masses and they don't even know what the M60 is. I'd warrant that the PZ 72 thingy wouldn't have received anything if it was just an old reward tank still.

 

I agree that it's a small set of people but still, since the T10 Patton and M60 should be the same vehicle pretty much with minor difference, just copy the stats across and do something minor that sets them apart, much like they did with the 140/T62A and 430. They are all very similar with small differences here and there, but they play roughly the same.

 

It will take an intern about a day to do this, it's not costing tons but the benefit in terms of player happiness is massive.

 

CW reward tanks, with the exception of the 907 are pretty much "old style premium", inferior to same tier vehicles. If they are going to make all premiums competitive again, so should the CW reward tanks.

 

Look recently at the Centurion buffs, all of them went from something like 40km/h limit to 50 km/h limit *yet* the Chieftain/T95 medium (basically a Centurion) is still capped at the old slow speed. It should have also received a speed buff and a penetration buff on the standard ammo.

It's the same story for pretty much every CW reward tank.

 

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View PostDrownape, on 10 July 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

 

The problem is Brum that of those 6k how many actually play the game anymore? it hasn't been available for a while now and the original CW players have long since gone (well most of them). Wg will continue to cater to the masses and they don't even know what the M60 is. I'd warrant that the PZ 72 thingy wouldn't have received anything if it was just an old reward tank still.

But WG doesnt lose anything by buffing it, norhing at all, except 5 mins of effort. They buffed the 907 , and thats a rare rank.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 10 July 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:

But WG doesnt lose anything by buffing it, norhing at all, except 5 mins of effort. They buffed the 907 , and thats a rare rank.

 

WG logic tho. Buff an already decently performing tank and leave a completely obvious obsolote one behind. 

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M48 is probably the worst medium right now. Slow and at the same time with no armor. Has one of the best view ranges, but the worst camo from all mediums which makes its good view range obsolete. Neither the cannon is who knows what. 

 

Mediocre tank at everything. Only thing I can say is good is the gun handling, which anyway isn't the best among the mediums.



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View Postbrumbarr, on 10 July 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

Which should be nerfed, but i guess its irrevamt aswell since only 10000 people have it.

 

Irrelevant until one of them starts shooting at you .  :)




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