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_EXODUZ_ #1 Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:27 PM

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Behold, the new ruskie premium on ST. I'd buy it, looks good to me.

 

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Accurate, low gun dispersion values, good terrain values, better muzzle velocity than the Black Dog with a faster reload and armour that takes the piss out of the WZ-132. I wish I was surprised about all that. :sceptic:

Cobra6 #3 Posted 12 July 2017 - 06:11 PM

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Yeah 120mm frontal armour on a light tank makes perfect sense......

 

And 170 pen on the standard round with 210 on the premium: Wargaming, this is not 2010 anymore, anything under 180 standard pen and 240 premium is pretty much useless.

 

It looks kind of cool as a concept but with an 85mm on T8 it needs the same dispersion values as the WZ-131 when moving so you can use it on the move *and* it needs a proper DPM of 2000 base.

 

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arthurwellsley #4 Posted 12 July 2017 - 06:29 PM

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A tier VIII crew trainer for USSR light tanks. I do not care how good/bad it is;



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View PostCobra6, on 12 July 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

It looks kind of cool as a concept but with an 85mm on T8 it needs the same dispersion values as the WZ-131 when moving so you can use it on the move *and* it needs a proper DPM of 2000 base.

 

Because its values of 0.10, 0.14 and 0.14 compare unfavourably with the WZ-131's 0.10, 0.13 and 0.13 while it gets base dispersion of 0.32 compared to the WZ's 0.35? :amazed:

 

Adding vents and vstabs might lead to some variety in team battles instead of seeing a Black Dog in every battle, I guess.



Danger__UXB #6 Posted 12 July 2017 - 06:59 PM

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I thought ALL lights keep their cammo on the move??

 

 

29.6 stationary

 

22.2 moving??????

 

 

...I this a new thing for prems/A mistake...Or mabye a taste of things to come?


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Zoltan1251 #7 Posted 12 July 2017 - 07:03 PM

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View Postarthurwellsley, on 12 July 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

A tier VIII crew trainer for USSR light tanks. I do not care how good/bad it is;

yeah, buying useless tank that you cant even do damage in and thinking its a "crew trainer" :D... dude you have issues.... go give that money to homeless.... i cant approve throwing money at WG for nothing



Strappster #8 Posted 12 July 2017 - 07:04 PM

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View PostZoltan1251, on 12 July 2017 - 06:03 PM, said:

yeah, buying useless tank that you cant even do damage in and thinking its a "crew trainer" :D... dude you have issues.... go give that money to homeless.... i cant approve throwing money at WG for nothing

 

Why on earth would you think anyone needs your approval to spend their money however they want?

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Hmm that's a no from me.

With current MM, it needs waaaay more than 170 pen.



Zoltan1251 #10 Posted 12 July 2017 - 07:17 PM

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View PostStrappster, on 12 July 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

 

Why on earth would you think anyone needs your approval to spend their money however they want?

oh, im sorry to not make it clear enough for you.... it was sarcastic way to point out how people spend their money on the most useless stuff bordering with throwing money out of the window... if you dont understand something just ask and dont take it literally.... just so you dont look like a fool next time



kripton69 #11 Posted 12 July 2017 - 07:18 PM

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It's like the German Bulldog with slightly better shell speed, much worse DPM, much worse gun depression, worse view range and even worse penetration and even much worse alpha. Just when you thought that 180 penetration and 240 alpha is useless nowadays they give you a tank with 170 penetration and 180 alpha. Gun handling is also worse but at least the base accuracy is very good.

 

On the other hand this one has APCR premium which usually has better velocity so it's probably a better sniper. But yeah, no. 


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FluffyRedFox #12 Posted 12 July 2017 - 07:20 PM

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Welp, at least its not OP.

I guess thats something for a tier 8 premium nowadays 



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View Postkripton69, on 12 July 2017 - 06:18 PM, said:

It's like the German Bulldog with slightly better shell speed, much worse DPM, much worse gun depression, worse view range and even worse penetration and even much worse alpha. Just when you thought that 180 penetration and 240 alpha is useless nowadays they give you a tank with 170 penetration and 180 alpha. Gun handling is also worse but at least the base accuracy is very good.

 

On the other hand this one has APCR premium which usually has better velocity so it's probably a better sniper. But yeah, no. 

 

Don't forget, 210 apcr pen. Totally worth it. :amazed:

 

View Postfishbob101, on 12 July 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:

Welp, at least its not OP.

I guess thats something for a tier 8 premium nowadays 

 

​True.

 

 


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View PostStrappster, on 12 July 2017 - 05:42 PM, said:

 

Because its values of 0.10, 0.14 and 0.14 compare unfavourably with the WZ-131's 0.10, 0.13 and 0.13 while it gets base dispersion of 0.32 compared to the WZ's 0.35? :amazed:

 

Adding vents and vstabs might lead to some variety in team battles instead of seeing a Black Dog in every battle, I guess.

 

I didn't compare the stats, I was saying that they need to be similar to work or make the tank even mildly usable.

 

But that P to W is still terrible.

 

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View PostZoltan1251, on 12 July 2017 - 06:17 PM, said:

oh, im sorry to not make it clear enough for you.... it was sarcastic way to point out how people spend their money on the most useless stuff bordering with throwing money out of the window... if you dont understand something just ask and dont take it literally.... just so you dont look like a fool next time

 

Sure, I'm the one who looks like a fool when you can't express sarcasm effectively. :rolleyes:

 

 

View PostCobra6, on 12 July 2017 - 06:23 PM, said:

I didn't compare the stats, I was saying that they need to be similar to work or make the tank even mildly usable.

 

But that P to W is still terrible.

 

I did compare the stats because they are similar. Not really seeing your issue on that one. I think the P/W is fine for its role of a light/medium hybrid. It's got to have something to off-set the weight of all that armour.



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View Postfishbob101, on 12 July 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

Welp, at least its not OP.

I guess thats something for a tier 8 premium nowadays 

 

That's true but the flaw of the power creep is that as long as there are a few completely busted tanks nothing else is worth buying so the sales will probably not be great even when it's something that people would've wanted a year ago - a Russian premium light. This is where WG are going to feel the pain of making tanks like Defender. Of the 32 or 33 tier 8 premiums(I left clones, rewards and unobtainable tanks away) around 5 are worth considering. 


Of all tier 8 premiums I think the following tanks can be recommended: Defender, Patriot, Lorraine, Skorpion and with some reservations German Bulldog(it's overrated but it's the best and only good single shot medium of tier 8, but WG said they won't sell it again) and Löwe(this tank is really surprisingly good since the buff). Liberte would've been there too when it was released and was a premier tier 8 heavy but then they released the Defender which does everything better. I guess that's a great living example of how power creep works. Honestly I think Löwe is just a better Liberte with the new matchmaking because a tier 8 tank's quality is now primarily determined on how well it can grind down same tier/higher tier tanks and Löwe is really good at fighting such tanks. If you want to go full gold you can just go for the Chrysler. But really, why bother when Defender is a better tank that makes more silver. Chrysler is just another powerful but just plain pointless tank. Maybe in the next life it'll be worth it?

 

I predict that the end result is that instead of nerfing Defender they're going to start overbuffing more premiums once they realize the sales of the other premiums will sink and the game will be in a cycle of endless power creep until the bubble bursts and people are too sick and tired to spend any more. That's what you get for going all in with short term profit and not realizing that when you narrow down the playable premiums down to 5 of 32-33. They'd make so much more money if they gave people some excuse to buy any of the 30+ premiums.


I used to liberally buy a new premium once every 4-6 weeks or so when I felt like but the state of the game is so twisted and the power level gap between tanks of the same tier is pretty big and when you add the +2/-2 matchmaking on top of that, playing anything that's not flat-out overpowered is just not worth the hassle. Even Berlin crews or these -30% discounts aren't enough to tempt me to spend anymore.


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View Postgpalsson, on 12 July 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

 

Don't forget, 210 apcr pen. Totally worth it. :amazed:

 

This is where people play the "just flank it" card when they can't come up with any proper reasoning that would make 210 premium penetration even remotely useful.



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In current game it is pretty useless.
If released against 1 year ago tanks. It would be OK.

Alpha is to low with that dpm.
180 alpha is really bad.
Speed is nothing exceptional.
And camo looked average aswell.

So it is rather bad at dealing damage.

Black dog is better by quite a margin.

To make this good, give it 190/240 pen or something.

Increase dpm to 2100+


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Gun is useless and what is up with the camo values being lost while moving? thats not even a light tank, its a castrated medium...

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View Postkripton69, on 12 July 2017 - 06:47 PM, said:

 

I predict that the end result is that instead of nerfing Defender they're going to start overbuffing more premiums once they realize the sales of the other premiums will sink and the game will be in a cycle of endless power creep until the bubble bursts and people are too sick and tired to spend any more. That's what you get for going all in with short term profit and not realizing that when you narrow down the playable premiums down to 5 of 32-33. They'd make so much more money if they gave people some excuse to buy any of the 30+ premiums.


I used to liberally buy a new premium once every 4-6 weeks or so when I felt like but the state of the game is so twisted and the power level gap between tanks of the same tier is pretty big and when you add the +2/-2 matchmaking on top of that, playing anything that's not flat-out overpowered is just not worth the hassle. Even Berlin crews or these -30% discounts aren't enough to tempt me to spend anymore.

 

This, been indeed saying that a long time. WG sets itself very short term goals to gain as much profit as possible instead of thinking about the consequences of these premiums in the long run for the game itself.

 

And how do I know this you might ask? If any long term thought had gone into this, they would have *never* released tanks like the Defender as a premium (which they pretty much can not nerf).

 

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