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ZlatanArKung #1 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:12 PM

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WG, please,  just go back to old MM. This new 3-5-7 template is pure [edited]and useless 

qpranger #2 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:13 PM

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I am willing to forgive many of WG's transgressions if they do revert to the old MM.

Never thought they could make MM any WORSE than it was already, but now they have done it.



_EXODUZ_ #3 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:23 PM

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I don't get it. You have 7 other tier 8's and 5 tier 9's to shoot at.

Besides, your only tier 8 is a Pershing, and it has the best stats as well. Hard life of a re-roll or what?



Kozzy #4 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:23 PM

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I'm I the only one who feels this MM change has only really negatively affect T8?  I really don't have a problem in any other tier.

 

Also, if we did revert the MM then people would just go back to whining about 'rigged games' or 'bots', so maybe keep it like this to give the forums a bit of a break?  



jabster #5 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:29 PM

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To be honest I prefer it. I've never been entirely happy with the pressure of being top tier and with the new templates I at least feel that with all games I can make a contribution even if it's not a very good one.

qpranger #6 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:29 PM

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View PostKozzy, on 14 July 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

I'm I the only one who feels this MM change has only really negatively affect T8?  I really don't have a problem in any other tier.

 

Also, if we did revert the MM then people would just go back to whining about 'rigged games' or 'bots', so maybe keep it like this to give the forums a bit of a break?  

 

Most matches are still rigged steamrolled roflstomps of course, but in the old MM even just a semi-good player at least had the chance to make a slight difference when being top tier more often than now.

Edited by qpranger, 14 July 2017 - 02:30 PM.


ZlatanArKung #7 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:30 PM

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View Post_EXODUZ_, on 14 July 2017 - 02:23 PM, said:

I don't get it. You have 7 other tier 8's and 5 tier 9's to shoot at.

Besides, your only tier 8 is a Pershing, and it has the best stats as well. Hard life of a re-roll or what?

 

What the [edited]has tier or reroll to do with WGS useless crapMM.



ZlatanArKung #8 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:33 PM

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View PostKozzy, on 14 July 2017 - 02:23 PM, said:

I'm I the only one who feels this MM change has only really negatively affect T8?  I really don't have a problem in any other tier.

 

Also, if we did revert the MM then people would just go back to whining about 'rigged games' or 'bots', so maybe keep it like this to give the forums a bit of a break?  

 

I played a few solo T7 games this morning, I heard MM was better if you played Solo and at T7.

What a mistake.

 

0 games as too tier.

I had, of the last 7 games, 6 against T9.

In the session of like 15 games, I met T9 10 times, while the others was against T8.

 

I met a T6 tank like 2 times.



Karasu_Hidesuke #9 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:37 PM

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Are there actually any statistics available on this? It certainly feels like tier 8 MM is worse than before, but is there any data to back up this feeling?

Dragonlordcv #10 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:40 PM

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I do not play my T8 prems anymore cause of new MM i do not like to be always bottom tier against 9 and 10s. WG fucked up big time !

 

ps. I never platoon anymore as well cause of it..... where is the fun of the new changes?


Edited by Dragonlordcv, 14 July 2017 - 02:43 PM.


Kozzy #11 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:43 PM

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View PostBrowarszky, on 14 July 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

Are there actually any statistics available on this? It certainly feels like tier 8 MM is worse than before, but is there any data to back up this feeling?

 

FFS!  YOU KNOW THE RULES! We do not deal in fact or verifiable statistical analysis.  GTFO.

 

View Postqpranger, on 14 July 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

 

Most matches are still rigged steamrolled roflstomps of course...

 

Hehe, there it is...



ZlatanArKung #12 Posted 14 July 2017 - 02:52 PM

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View PostBrowarszky, on 14 July 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

Are there actually any statistics available on this? It certainly feels like tier 8 MM is worse than before, but is there any data to back up this feeling?

 

There was a thread on this forum some time ago.

It pointed towards T8 beinget top tier ~15-20% and being buttom tier like 50%



HassenderZerhacker #13 Posted 14 July 2017 - 03:04 PM

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I still don't get why they don't make the matchmaker maximize same tier battles. Tier overpopulation problems would be gone.

Can someone please explain to me why they don't do it?



Kozzy #14 Posted 14 July 2017 - 03:17 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 14 July 2017 - 02:04 PM, said:

I still don't get why they don't make the matchmaker maximize same tier battles. Tier overpopulation problems would be gone.

Can someone please explain to me why they don't do it?

 

I believe this is quite obvious.  WG is a business, one indirect source of income is getting people to want to be the higher tier tank and so they go up the tiers.  If people would regularly and reliably get into same-tier matches they may find a tank(s) in a tier(s) they could play over and over without any desire to go up the tiers/spend money.

THE_JACK_OF_HEARTS #15 Posted 14 July 2017 - 03:25 PM

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tier 8 mm for me is fine Tbh ?..

Suurpolskija #16 Posted 14 July 2017 - 03:26 PM

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Oh, a new MM thread that I'm going to contribute my opinion the same as maybe 1/4 of the hundred threads before this:

 

Being bottom tier isn't such a big deal anymore. While I'm just about an average players still, I have no problem in dealing with mostly opponents of my tier and one tier higher and maybe some odd +2 I might face.

 

I really don't see the problem in it and why it makes people so salty. The average dmg in my tier 8 premiums has been on the rise and didn't stop in the new mm. It isn't unplayable nor is it horrible at least for me.

 

This is better by far than the old MM and if my 2 cents count, I'd rather keep this than have the old one. The thing I'd like to change is that the MM would favor +-0 tier matches so all would be the same tier in most games. It would be somewhat fair on any tier except tier8 that has those new masterpieces of game balancing. Though I do get it that it would make people less eager to progress through tiers and spend less premium ammo and free exp etc so it might be bad for business. Which makes it pure utopia.



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View PostKozzy, on 14 July 2017 - 01:43 PM, said:

 

FFS!  YOU KNOW THE RULES! We do not deal in fact or verifiable statistical analysis.  GTFO.

 

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ExclamationMark #18 Posted 14 July 2017 - 04:44 PM

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Yes, please bring back the old MM where the enemy could have 1/2 more top tiers, 2/3 more mid tiers etc. That was very enjoyable.

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 14 July 2017 - 02:12 PM, said:

WG, please,  just go back to old MM. This new 3-5-7 template is pure [edited]and useless 

 

I guess this just comes down to personal perspective and outlook.

 

If you expect it to be a mix and you constantly get bottom tier, you are going to get disappointed and angry with the game.

 

If you expect to be bottom tier all the time, you are going to be ok and pleasantly surprised when you are mid or top tier.

 

If you are in a platoon, you will be bottom tier :teethhappy:

 

I don't mind being bottom tier (although this is some what subjective given the low and mid tiers I play) and I expect it. I'm fine with it, both old and new MM. Maybe it's cause I'm a little older and wiser*.

 

However, watching a lot of streamers and tubers, I do think the issue is exacerbated between tiers 8-10.

 

* Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit and not a vegetable. Wisdom is knowing that you don't put tomatoes in a fruit salad.

 

 

 



NiemandXL #20 Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:57 PM

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The new MM is like communism. Sure no one really starves to dead anymore (being the only tier 8 against only tier x for example), yet also no one really lives good anymore (being top tier). Instead everyone now "enjoys" an equally miserable existence all the time.

 

 

View PostExclamationMark, on 14 July 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

Yes, please bring back the old MM where the enemy could have 1/2 more top tiers, 2/3 more mid tiers etc. That was very enjoyable.

 

Like getting city maps and the enemy getting the super heavies while your team gets the paper tanks is any better. At least with the old MM it was possible to grind credits in a tier 8 premium without having to face broken tanks like the Maus or the Type 5 nearly every battle.

 






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