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Gremlin182 #181 Posted 10 August 2017 - 07:18 AM

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The ISU152 is probably the only tank I have never felt I needed to carry premium rounds.

With 260 pen well I might just might carry a couple.

 

It might have been nice to have made a few other changes maybe slight buffs to some areas of the ISU152 given you are dropping the pen.

Shell velocity or maybe a little better aim time view range anything really just a little something.

You could reasonably increase the ammo it can carry ISU152 has 20 rounds RHM Borsig gets to carry 30 150mm rounds and that's a much smaller vehicle

 

If not NP I'm happy to play the Object 704 instead and maybe Ill buy back the SU152 and go derping



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View PostTIGERMARK3, on 09 August 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

 

Ow, not even in my T10 tanks I cannot ignore a tank destroyer. How OP it is because I cannot play like a total potato.

 

lol a tomato telling me how to play these forums are full of rich content 

 

i can ignore most of the tier 8 tds in my tier 10s, as they posses a low threat level. only ones that can be annoying is skorpion and isu. 



Baldrickk #183 Posted 10 August 2017 - 07:48 AM

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View PostSovietBias, on 10 August 2017 - 04:32 AM, said:

ISU will still miss more fully aimed shots because of that worse dispersion. 

Ok, so it's less accurate than the tank he picked to compare it to. 

Hits one heck of a lot harder too though. Still beats it handily with the nerfed pen. 

For someone who is saying all the stats should be taken into account, you seem to be forgetting that. 

 

As for accuracy, it's lugging a 152mm barrel around and still beats 0.4.

T37 only has a 76mm gun and 0.43 accuracy. 

0.39 is not bad.

 



VarzA #184 Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:13 PM

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Finally this OP piece of **** is getting nerfed,

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View PostGremlin182, on 10 August 2017 - 07:18 AM, said:

The ISU152 is probably the only tank I have never felt I needed to carry premium rounds.

With 260 pen well I might just might carry a couple.

 

It might have been nice to have made a few other changes maybe slight buffs to some areas of the ISU152 given you are dropping the pen.

Shell velocity or maybe a little better aim time view range anything really just a little something.

You could reasonably increase the ammo it can carry ISU152 has 20 rounds RHM Borsig gets to carry 30 150mm rounds and that's a much smaller vehicle

 

If not NP I'm happy to play the Object 704 instead and maybe Ill buy back the SU152 and go derping

 

 

286 pen ... not 260,

329 with apcr.



commer #186 Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:52 PM

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Jesus it's not really a nerf. Yes you loose 26 pen but in most cases 260 pens the same things 286 pens. You will pen all the weakspots, you will not pen the non weakspot areas with 286 with than with 260. 

 

On the other hand you will get more hp so enemy tanks will need to shoot you more to kill you. I really prefer those changes to the old isu. 



EMILY__BLUNT #187 Posted 27 August 2017 - 05:10 PM

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save bl10 or i"ll selling my isu

nerf all SWE TD, noobs



TIGERMARK3 #188 Posted 29 August 2017 - 12:03 PM

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View Postcommer, on 23 August 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

Jesus it's not really a nerf. Yes you loose 26 pen but in most cases 260 pens the same things 286 pens. You will pen all the weakspots, you will not pen the non weakspot areas with 286 with than with 260. 

 

On the other hand you will get more hp so enemy tanks will need to shoot you more to kill you. I really prefer those changes to the old isu. 

 

1. 260 and 286 is not the same. Like 2+2=4 not 5.

2. Weakspots? Have you tried hitting weakspots with ISU? Once I hat it fully aimed at the hull of an IS-3. It went in the side of the turret and bounced, And that was just one of the most recent examples with the whole front of a tank. Not even going to talk about those pixel-dimensioned 'weakspots' you have on T110E3, Liberte, Patriot,E100 VK 100.01 etc. etc. Good luck hitting those.

3. Yeah, great buff, yooo hooo. Nope. An HP buff, even if now it has 1200 HP, is useless when you do not have the armour to back it up. It just turns you into a bigger pinata for damage farmers. Want to know why?

Let's split the tanks in 2-3 categories(2 main and 1 mixed up)

I. Medium to High Alpha(usually 90mm guns and above)

Tanks with more than 300 alpha(T29, T32, IS-3 etc. etc. you get the point) Previously, they needed 4 shots to kill you. Now they need? 4 shots.

Tanks with alpha around 240. They needed 5 shots before, they need 5 shots now

II Low alpha, but high DPM. Only when you are fired at with 85mm or smaller guns you get to feel the difference. However, this is usually unimportant because the 1 extra shot they needed to put into you can come very quick.

And this is just the scenario of:Stay still in front of me and shoot me till you get bored. Not even talking about people trying to flank you so you have no option of fighting back



samuelx43a #189 Posted 29 August 2017 - 12:11 PM

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I'm at 930k, my goal is to reach 3 M to buy the obj 704, I mean either get that or the WT auf PZ IV.

What would you guys reccomend? (I have both researched if my memory is right)



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View PostTIGERMARK3, on 29 August 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

 

1. 260 and 286 is not the same. Like 2+2=4 not 5.

2. Weakspots? Have you tried hitting weakspots with ISU? Once I hat it fully aimed at the hull of an IS-3. It went in the side of the turret and bounced, And that was just one of the most recent examples with the whole front of a tank. 

See, the thing is, that bounced with 286, it would bounce with 260.

If it had hit the hull, it would go in with 286, but it would go in with 260 too.

 

Where is the problem?



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View PostBaldrickk, on 29 August 2017 - 11:15 PM, said:

See, the thing is, that bounced with 286, it would bounce with 260.

If it had hit the hull, it would go in with 286, but it would go in with 260 too.

 

Where is the problem?

 

Well, no offense intended but to be blunt the problem is what you said is wrong.  Just because a shot goes in with 286 pen does not mean it would have with 260, that's the entire reason they're nerfing the ISU, to reduce the amount of shots that pen.



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Yesterday I thought I should have said goodbye to the BL-10 and dusted off  my ISU.

3 losses a in a row later I gave up.

Goodbye ISU, you were a most worthy tonk.

 

 

Seriously, anyone tried it? how does the new gun handle?



8Knight_Commander_Pask #193 Posted 30 August 2017 - 03:18 PM

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Ok tested it a bit.

Now I need to hit weakspots to penetrate tier 9 & 10.

Which is fine.

 

 

Except that I can't, because it's a soviet potato gun which cannot land a hit anywhere on a full aimed target and I cannot get close because tank is turret-less and has whale agility and zero armor.


Edited by 8Knight_Commander_Pask, 30 August 2017 - 03:20 PM.


vixu #194 Posted 30 August 2017 - 03:23 PM

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It was not OP. The gun was making it relevant when compared to RHm or Scorpion. Now it is more like french amx48 or ferdi - something to grind through for a better tonk.

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View PostTIGERMARK3, on 29 August 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

 

1. 260 and 286 is not the same. Like 2+2=4 not 5.

2. Weakspots? Have you tried hitting weakspots with ISU? Once I hat it fully aimed at the hull of an IS-3. It went in the side of the turret and bounced, And that was just one of the most recent examples with the whole front of a tank. Not even going to talk about those pixel-dimensioned 'weakspots' you have on T110E3, Liberte, Patriot,E100 VK 100.01 etc. etc. Good luck hitting those.

3. Yeah, great buff, yooo hooo. Nope. An HP buff, even if now it has 1200 HP, is useless when you do not have the armour to back it up. It just turns you into a bigger pinata for damage farmers. Want to know why?

Let's split the tanks in 2-3 categories(2 main and 1 mixed up)

I. Medium to High Alpha(usually 90mm guns and above)

Tanks with more than 300 alpha(T29, T32, IS-3 etc. etc. you get the point) Previously, they needed 4 shots to kill you. Now they need? 4 shots.

Tanks with alpha around 240. They needed 5 shots before, they need 5 shots now

II Low alpha, but high DPM. Only when you are fired at with 85mm or smaller guns you get to feel the difference. However, this is usually unimportant because the 1 extra shot they needed to put into you can come very quick.

And this is just the scenario of:Stay still in front of me and shoot me till you get bored. Not even talking about people trying to flank you so you have no option of fighting back

 

1. Yes if you talk pure numbers 260 and 286 is not the same but if you walk about what armor it can pen most amor in the game that can be penned by 286 can get penned by 260. Armor values for tanks jump in values. Most places are either weakspots for 250-260 or are not and require 330 or are total invulnerable to anything not 400pen Td gold

2. Yes it is harder to aim for weakspots but not impossible.

3. More hp still means you can get hit more. Your post only makes sense if you sit in the open waiting to get shot. The HP buff to ferdinant actually increased its global WR BY A LOT. People just dont notice HP buffs because they don't like to get penned so they don't notice they survive more. 240 alpha tanks needed only a slight high roll to kill you in 4 shots. Also again it shows you are thinking about HP expenditure in terms of "hurr durr i sit in the open and get shot". Imagine it differently. You get spotted while sniping enemy tanks. You get shot by 3. Is3, T32, T44. Thats 390+320+240=950. Pre buff you are one shot to anything including He. Post buff the meds and light tanks won't one shoot you. Also 1200hp means it's harder for arty to 1 shot kill you if they pen, Jpze100 won't 1 shot kill you. Also getting shot by 750td doesn't mean Heavies can 1 shot you. Also isu has some armor. Not great but 25% of the front is the super tough mantlet. 



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260 and 286 AP pen is huge difference on sniping TD...
is7, e100, 113 and even is4 can be penned with 286 AP, quite "easily"... now, with 260 it is much harder... ok,113 LFP is instapen, but be realistic, isu152 to aim LFP from ~400m....
286 could pen type5 and type4 frontally.

286 can pen Maus turret cheeks, 260, not so much. you will need high pen roll for that, and that maus aims directly at you...
e75, vk45B turret same story... 286 has a chance of pen, 260 almost doesnt...
 

it is huge difference comparing to HT armor...
even Russian mediums... turret next to the gun, 286 is more then enough... 260 is meh.

Dont have isu152. But this is one of the worst nerfs in game...

not needed at all. ISU was never OP. Gun is potato, you cant aim, and it wasnt brocken in game at all...

+ BL10 is historic gun from isu152, one more reason to disapprove those changes.



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View Postvixu, on 30 August 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

It was not OP. The gun was making it relevant when compared to RHm or Scorpion. Now it is more like french amx48 or ferdi - something to grind through for a better tonk.

 

Lol at that Ferdi comment. it gets one of the best WRs in t8. People think it's bad because the armor is super unreliable but the big hp pool means it's still very hard to kill. Also the gun works really well thanks to good gun dep and wide arc

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View PostIgor_BL, on 30 August 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

260 and 286 AP pen is huge difference on sniping TD...
is7, e100, 113 and even is4 can be penned with 286 AP, quite "easily"... now, with 260 it is much harder... ok,113 LFP is instapen, but be realistic, isu152 to aim LFP from ~400m....
286 could pen type5 and type4 frontally.

286 can pen Maus turret cheeks, 260, not so much. you will need high pen roll for that, and that maus aims directly at you...
e75, vk45B turret same story... 286 has a chance of pen, 260 almost doesnt...
 

it is huge difference comparing to HT armor...
even Russian mediums... turret next to the gun, 286 is more then enough... 260 is meh.

Dont have isu152. But this is one of the worst nerfs in game...

not needed at all. ISU was never OP. Gun is potato, you cant aim, and it wasnt brocken in game at all...

+ BL10 is historic gun from isu152, one more reason to disapprove those changes.

 

 

1. I have a NA acc. I have the ISU there.

2. I now get why you have the problem with the ISU. You think a hugely innacurate TD is a sniping tank. I am way more agressive in mine.

3. I agree ISU was not OP. 

4. 286 pen pens Maus cheeks only at perfect angles. Same for Type4/5

5. I am not comparing its armor to HT's. I am simply saying it has some armor. Armor is not binary. There are more variations in armor layout than Maus or Ltractor

6. Who cares about history. This game is fake, no tanks are historical anymore with made up tanks in the game fighting them.



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View Postcommer, on 30 August 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

 

Lol at that Ferdi comment. it gets one of the best WRs in t8. People think it's bad because the armor is super unreliable but the big hp pool means it's still very hard to kill. Also the gun works really well thanks to good gun dep and wide arc

 

Not for me. Perhaps, its overall statistics is placing it to top 3 because it is somewhat easier to play. But if I take all my tier 8 tds. Ferdi is at 49%, while Rhm is at 56%. (when across the server it is at 48.3%) 

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View Postvixu, on 30 August 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

 

Not for me. Perhaps, its overall statistics is placing it to top 3 because it is somewhat easier to play. But if I take all my tier 8 tds. Ferdi is at 49%, while Rhm is at 56%. (when across the server it is at 48.3%) 

 

Are you sniping in the Ferdi? If yes then that's the reason. Play it like a heavy.




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