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ISU-152 BL-10 9.20 Supertest Nerf

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Toni112007 #41 Posted 16 July 2017 - 07:45 AM

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Also I hate when they nerf standard tanks while they never nerf super massively OP premiums like Skorpion or Defender.

Edited by Toni112007, 16 July 2017 - 07:46 AM.


Koove #42 Posted 16 July 2017 - 08:24 AM

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260 penetration is still plenty.

On the other hand, it actually gets 90 more hit points.

 

Stop whining, the "nerf" will turn out OK.



jack_timber #43 Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:00 AM

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Don't think the nerf will make that much of a difference, it's only 1 inch less, mind u 1 inch can make all the difference:)

Its a pity that WG have left aim time and dispersion the same tho.

The infamous troll canon can sometimes be an absolute sod, fully aimed can't hit at 100m, looks like D-4S might be similar:(



Zodiac1960s #44 Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:45 AM

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It's fine. If you can't manage with 260 pen, just sell it.

orion310591 #45 Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:48 AM

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Where did you got that info about nerf? 

Test client?

 

If they nerf ISU152, paper and inaccurate tank with tier X gun, what they will do to T28 prot? it has armor + tier X gun...

 

Anyway im so long in this game that I have seen many changes... from nerfing arty (im talking nerf years ago), nerfing mediums, nerfing lights, and newest, era of nerfing TD's...

yet another trick to keep people busy switching from tanks to tanks...



leggasiini #46 Posted 16 July 2017 - 11:01 AM

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View Postorion310591, on 16 July 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

If they nerf ISU152, paper and inaccurate tank with tier X gun, what they will do to T28 prot? it has armor + tier X gun...

 

Prot's gun is way worse than ISU's. Module tier is irrelevant.



MrTagen #47 Posted 16 July 2017 - 02:20 PM

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View Posttajj7, on 15 July 2017 - 08:08 PM, said:

It shouldn't have 286 pen in the first place, not with 750 alpha as well. The Swedish TDs have the same pen with 390 alpha, pretty much EVERY other tier 8 TD is then in the 240 - 260 pen region, with less alpha. The only other tank with 750 alpha has 212 base pen. 

 

What it should get is alpha nerf, 750 alpha on tier 8 is broken. 

 

if you are comparing with Swedish TD then compare the size(small to hit) , camo(the best) ,gun depression(14), speed (70 and reverse 50) and accuracy(0.34 and 0.24 in seige mode) if you compare it to RHM you should talk about the great advantage of turreted tank

by they way this tank has no advantage what so ever except the gun even gun handling is rubbish every other tank has whether good gun handling ,camo , armor or turreted tank, but this tank has only the gun alpha and pen advantage

MrTagen #48 Posted 16 July 2017 - 02:36 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 16 July 2017 - 11:01 AM, said:

 

Prot's gun is way worse than ISU's. Module tier is irrelevant.

 

t28 prot is more tanky(except frontal turret) ,accurate and deal more damage than is-3 and you say t28 prot's gun is worse than isu!? XDD realy how?? you have 0.36 accuracy with 10 gun depression when 100%crew there is many avantages than isu-152 at least it is turreted

 

not to mention to use a decent gun on isu 152 you have to grind with a shity 175 pen gun or 0.51 derp gun 63,500 exp to unlock the last gun or if you cant handle it grind 44,000 exp to get a gun with 225 pen so it will make it easy for you to gind the 63,500 exp gun with 0.41 accuracy which you use and aim at the whole tank and wish it connect XDD



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View PostKoove, on 16 July 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

260 penetration is still plenty.

On the other hand, it actually gets 90 more hit points.

 

Stop whining, the "nerf" will turn out OK.

 

it is not about winning i had to rush and use all of my credit and free exp to get tier 9 to avoid researching the same gun again 2nd point it is soo painfull for me to get this gun with a derp gun  that rarely do average damage on medium tank unless you use premium ammunition and not to mention the 0.5 accuracy 

3rd point what the benefit of 90 more hp in high tier match ups ? the benefit of more 90 hp is like 5% of the matches if this tank is spoted it is a dead tank and it doesnt have an armor to ricochet light tank
4th point people are comparing this tank with swedish and turreted tank XDD you cant talk about the tank unless you grind it , know every thing about it and actualy play it and didnt rush free exp or reserve or used alot of premium ammo to get the gun i am not that rich to do that XDD
5th point and last if you gonna nerf it is ok but improve the gun handling i bought 3 equipments for this gun to make it useable(0.38)  which is gld , gun rammer, vents

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View Postkripton69, on 14 July 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

Yeah, 750 alpha and 286 AP penetration at tier 8 is the definition of "well balanced".

No.

 

750 alpha, 286 pen, no turret, bad DPM, bad aim time, bad accuracy, bad mobility, the ability to be spotted from orbit, bad....  well bad everything that isn't alpha or pen TBH, is the definition of "well balanced".

 

"well balanced" doesn't mean the vehicle is average at everything, otherwise all tanks would be the same.


Edited by Ubersonic, 17 July 2017 - 09:37 AM.


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View PostKoove, on 16 July 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

260 penetration is still plenty.

It's 14mm more than the Skorpion gets, and that has a turret, better accuracy, better reload, better aim time, better mobility, better camo, better traverse, better view range and for some reason more HP.

 

Technically speaking the Skorpion actually has better pen despite what the stats say, because it has the accuracy to hit weak points while the ISU has to aim for centre mass to improve chances of actually hitting the target.


Edited by Ubersonic, 17 July 2017 - 09:44 AM.


sasopocmarany #52 Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:43 AM

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ooh nooo the isu will get 26 mm pen nerf noo such a big deal it's only 260 now noooo

srsly the new gun still has broken pen for tier 8 while nothing else changes except the HP which is even buffed



Tinbawx #53 Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:52 AM

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I don´t really care to be honest. ISU has had this gun for so long, since release actually, that it doesn´t bother me anymore and hasn´t a for long time. It´s not ISU that comes to mind when I think about problems in the game.

Sort of a "whatever" nerf, meaningless in the big picture.



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View PostToni112007, on 16 July 2017 - 06:45 AM, said:

Also I hate when they nerf standard tanks while they never nerf super massively OP premiums like Skorpion or Defender.

 

I felt the same way when they decided to combat smallpox rather than malaria. Still, the eradication of smallpox was a good thing.

 

Jokes aside, at least Defenders aren't that common anymore. At least it feels like the numbers are on a decline - my guess is that the Defender was for many a last ditch effort to have some fun - by playing what essentially is a T9 tank (with full APCR at least). Turns out it's not particularly fun to rely on a broken tank to do well.

 

Skorpions, well, at least you can spot the thing from across the map (it has Panther-level camo values) and smack it with HE if you're feeling salty. The way most people are using it makes it worse than a RHM. As long as it's not spotted, it's on-par with most TDs anyway - getting punished for not sticking to a bush or rock.
 Popularity plays a major role in how you feel about it too, which in turn is affected both by being a premium tank, having a big gun, fair speed, and being one of the easier T8s to play in a T9/10-heavy environment.

 

The thought of people realizing that they actually have a paper med with a huge gun is frightening, though, a gunboat-Skorpion is no joke.


Edited by Aikl, 17 July 2017 - 09:59 AM.


BigFellas_Dad #55 Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:05 AM

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The ISU-152 has only one thing going for it, that gun.  Removing it leaves a slow, turretless and poorly armoured POS that is easily flanked and killed.   That BL-10 has so much fear factor that even TX's think twice before getting close to it, with out the fear factor it will be a total joke.  RIP ISU, I enjoyed my many battles in you.

 

Top Tip, dont play turretless tanks, they suck.



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View PostMrTagen, on 16 July 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

 

if you are comparing with Swedish TD then compare the size(small to hit) , camo(the best) ,gun depression(14), speed (70 and reverse 50) and accuracy(0.34 and 0.24 in seige mode) if you compare it to RHM you should talk about the great advantage of turreted tank

by they way this tank has no advantage what so ever except the gun even gun handling is rubbish every other tank has whether good gun handling ,camo , armor or turreted tank, but this tank has only the gun alpha and pen advantage

 

LEL

 

And the Swedish tanks cant fire without going into siege mode, which makes their aim time, accuracy and all that pointless because you have to add 2s. I mean the ISU isn't restricted to moving at 5kph when it wants to fire now is it? So whilst you are listing all it's 'advantages' they look kind of stupid when you take siege mode into account. 

 

Typical bunch of bad base camping bobs moaning cos their broken cannon is getting nerfed, boo hoo.  Learn to play basically instead of relying on a broken combination of alpha damage and far too high pen for it's tier.  

 

If you'd also like to list all the massive advantages the Ferdianand, AT-15, T28 etc. have over the ISU-152 then I'll wait for that laugh, all those tanks are slower than the ISU, have worse camo than the ISU and their armour is generally useless but none of them have that pen or alpha. 

 

 



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View Posttajj7, on 17 July 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

If you'd also like to list all the massive advantages the Ferdianand, AT-15, T28 etc. have over the ISU-152 then I'll wait for that laugh

Accuracy, Aim time, DPM, armour, technical pen, etc.

 

Pretty much everything bar alpha, pen and straight line speed lol.



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View PostBigFellas_Dad, on 17 July 2017 - 11:05 AM, said:

The ISU-152 has only one thing going for it, that gun.  Removing it leaves a slow, turretless and poorly armoured POS that is easily flanked and killed. 

Pretty much sums it up :(

 

The reason there seems to be some support for this nerf from players is probably because they don't understand that the paper pen value they see on stat sheets is already nerfed by having to aim at the centre of the target to guarantee good odds of a hit, whereas something like the Skorpion or even the AT-15 mentioned above which have lower stat sheet pen are actually on par or (in the Skorpions case) better than the nerfed ISU on the battlefield because they can reliably hit not just the target but a weak spot.

 

 

View PostBigFellas_Dad, on 17 July 2017 - 11:05 AM, said:

That BL-10 has so much fear factor that even TX's think twice before getting close to it, with out the fear factor it will be a total joke.

Indeed, it's similar to the KV-2 in that the "idea" of the gun is much more effective than the gun actually is.  I once held a corner against four tanks because none of them were willing to die to give the others a kill.



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Why nerf now WG ? This tank has been in the game since the begining. What is the point of driving isu, if it does not have high penetration and high alfa? And don't give me that nonsense that this makes it OP. What about swedish TD, which have better penetration along with all other gun stats except the alfa. I also don't understand how high alfa make this T8 TD OP. Have any of you heard of KV-2 ? That tank is one shoting basically almost everybody every match. People who play this tank know that it only has 3 things going for it: high alfa, high pen, okey straight line speed. Everything else is pure crap. How are you supposed to penetrate anything with 260mm at long range with crap aming time, bad accuracy and bad gun arch. Tell me somebody how? Hell, half the time you are going to miss anyway or tracks are going to magically eat all damage. (Yeah high alfa isn't all sunshine and rainbows, could you figure that) And don't give ferdi, T28 and amx as examples. They have something called armor and can get in the thick of it and if not their guns can actully hit weakspots.

I can't fathom the excuses some of you have for a nerf. Because of a bot problem?? What ?? You are going to nerf tanks because of bots? And not try and actually get rid of them?? Wow the logic is amazing.

How can you give an argument against isu with its alfa using a swedish TD as an example. Just cemp bush and do massive damage with your high accuracy, high pen, low aming time, high DPM gun, while heavy tanks look cluless because they can't spot it. How is that not broken and OP? 

And who cares about 90 hp increase like that is going to make all the difference in this paper tank.

When will they actually nerf tanks that are OP like patriot, defender, amx m4 mle. 49, scorpion G... oh wait those are premium gold tanks okay nevermind.


Edited by murn123, 17 July 2017 - 01:27 PM.


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View Postmurn123, on 17 July 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

Why nerf now WG ? This tank has been in the game since the begining.

Because it's capable of balancing the Defender/Chrysler/etc and WG are worried people won't pay £80+ if they don't address this "flagrant error" ^^

 

Be interesting to see if anyone gets that ref...


Edited by Ubersonic, 17 July 2017 - 01:41 PM.





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