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Walt3rWhite #1 Posted 14 July 2017 - 05:47 PM

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this is the penetration value for this tank : 252/300  120mm gun ----     shell-V 1000- 840

his is the penetration value for this tank for E5 : 258/340  120mm gun ---- shell-V 1067-1067 

his is the penetration value for this tank for t57Heavy: 258/340 120mm gun ----- shell-V 1067-1067

his is the penetration value for this tank for is4 : 258/340    122mm gun   ---- shell-V 940-920

his is the penetration value for this tank for is7: 250-303   130mm gun ----- shell-V  900-1125

his is the penetration value for this tank maus: 246/311  ~130mm gun ----    shell-V  920-1150

his is the penetration value for this tank for e100 : 246/334 150mm gun   ---- shell-V  750-606

 

now we can see the statistic of these tank`s guns as you can see is7 has a 250mm of penetration with standard shell which is not a lot but when we add its caliber value and shell velocity to it, the the shell will get the punch of a e5 120 gun 

same story for other heavy tanks in this comparison .

now you can see the Kranwagen has the lowest pen value among all Tier 10 heavies. the standard APCR has no chance to pen any super heavy armored tanks in angles an areas that other heavy tanks can pen really easy. the premium round suffers from the same issue. the chance to pen heavy tanks or even well armored med tank from distance in this tank with APCR is almost ZERO and with premium shells its really close to almost ZERO. 

this tank was already balances by its pain in the butt reload time. 

lets think this tank was not an auto loader it would take this tank 10.5sec to reload  for a 120 mm gun!! 

since tanks are getting buffs in armor and getting harder to pen. playing with this tank is getting harder and since you have to fire premium rounds most of the times  it will cost  the player a lot of credits.  

this tank needs buff on its penetration! its not fair to use Premium rounds to pen targets that other tanks can pen with standard pen. 

its not fair not to able pen parts of the armor with premium rounds while other tanks has no problem pen those areas with their premium rounds. 

 

 


Edited by Walt3rWhite, 14 July 2017 - 05:48 PM.


thestaggy #2 Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:06 PM

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Yes, but;

 

 

 



WindSplitter1 #3 Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:07 PM

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I can work with 250mm pen at Tier X.

 

In contrast, the Skorpion G has a similar penetration two Tiers below, and I can say most people have no trouble with it and the Tier spread it has woud make them face similar tanks the Krv would.

This is one of the reasons why people should learn how to use standard ammunition first and then move to premium.

 

I don't really have a problem with goldspam™ but I suspect that if you have trouble penetrating spots other tanks can do with a similar and or worse pen, I suspect that's more a problem of you, the player, than the vehicle itself.

 

And as the guy who ninja'd me posted, the Krv can't be penetrated by gold itself in most frontal places if hulldown. Max pen on all tanks is Jaegaru's 420mm. 420 < 503

 

For that, we use :arta:


Edited by WindSplitter1, 14 July 2017 - 06:09 PM.


Uebergewicht #4 Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:13 PM

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I´m only on the Emil II, but it uses the same gun... sometimes, it really sucks. Just finished loading a magazine, then a Type comes up which has 250+ armor flat, so I might as well bugger off. Especially since hitting weakspots with that gun handling adds even more luck.

 

However, these tanks should probably not engage superheavies frontally in the first place.



HaZardeur #5 Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:15 PM

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The pen is not the main problem for the Swedish heavies, its the inter-reload between shots.

Search_Warrant #6 Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:23 PM

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Gotta balance out that horrible dispersion value right? :sceptic:

ExclamationMark #7 Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:25 PM

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View Postthestaggy, on 14 July 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

Spoiler

 

 

In your mind that makes it a good tank?

leggasiini #8 Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:27 PM

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The gun is pretty poor, especially for autoloader. I rate it like 4th worst gun of all tier 10 HT guns, beating only the Russian HT guns and Type 5's 14cm (and no one uses 14cm when derp exists, IS-7 is getting massive gun handling buffs and they might change IS-4 too, so...), so yea, it sucks. The only thing on Kran's gun that isnt between trash and below-average is the fact it has clip.

 

Then again, it has best turret front in the game, -12 depression and pretty good mobility, so I dont think it should have expectional firepower. It was absolutely disgusting in 9.17 test server when it actually had good firepower (though bigger reason was IMO the fact it was almost as mobile as 50B which was just beyond stupid)

 

Honestly they should revert the armor to historical values, buff the gun and mobility a bit and then give it option to mount 15cm gun (like it had IRL), without autoloader for balance reasons.


Edited by leggasiini, 14 July 2017 - 06:29 PM.


1ncompetenc3 #9 Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:30 PM

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Feel free to cry me a river about your swedish BS tanks.

 

 

By the way, is there a way to just throw an entire clan on one's forum ignore list in one go? One by one more people from -B-C- are finding their way to the forums but I have yet to see any of them post something worth reading.


Edited by 1ncompetenc3, 14 July 2017 - 06:31 PM.


thestaggy #10 Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:32 PM

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View PostExclamationMark, on 14 July 2017 - 06:25 PM, said:

 

In your mind that makes it a good tank?

 

''Balance''. You can't have decent mobility, -12 gun depression and that level of potential armour and now demand an even better gun.

 

If the Maus and Type 5 were not what they are this would most likely be the tank everyone is crying about. 

 

Just checked VB and it has a 51.53% win rate, only bettered by Maus, Type and 113 when it comes to heavies.

 

Anyway, its pen is better than that of the 113, IS-7, E100 and Maus, two of those tanks (E100 and IS-7) with win rates that are 2 - 3% lower.

 

Tank is on the cusp of being broken as is.


Edited by thestaggy, 14 July 2017 - 06:36 PM.


Enforcer1975 #11 Posted 14 July 2017 - 07:05 PM

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Tank sits well in the middle pen wise on tier 10 tanks ( +-10 ) unless WoT assist is fooling me and not the lowest ad OP claims. Price per standard shell, i assume value is shell price right is also ok...
I don't understand what the problem i's really.

Warzey #12 Posted 14 July 2017 - 07:17 PM

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As far as Kranvagn goes, the thing was literally unplayable before the arty rebalance. Standard shell penetration is pretty much in line with other T10 heavies and it's good enough to deal with most of the enemy tanks apart from super heavies. The problem is, HEAT shells are horrible, only 300 penetration which is not good enough to reliably deal with hull down E100, JP E100, and you still have quite a good chance to bounce off Maus and Japanese sumo tanks. That basically means you almost never have to fire premium ammo, I mean unless you know you're gonna run into previously mentioned tanks or Swedish TDs you just don't need HEAT. 

I personally carry 2 clips of HEAT and I honestly can't remember the last time I fired both clips in a battle. 






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