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IS-6 buff balance

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ZorzDePaloma #1 Posted 15 July 2017 - 06:40 PM

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So I have noticed on facebook WG page their post about "legendary IS-6! Ve

nerable steel fortress!", there was no single positive comment on this tank. As I am owner of IS-6, I'm aware about his possibilities now. Introducing Defender and other OP tanks, and "fixing" this MM, made IS-6 useless. Since it has 175mm pen, and it very rarely gets in top top tier battles (I'm not talking about full tier 8 battles), most of the time I need a lot of gold to pen other heavy tanks. I know about weakspots, I understand how everything works, but the only thing is left for this "venerable steel fortress" is flanking an enemy which is also impossible. I'm not able to play for credits since I have to spam gold. So whole purpose of premium tank is pushed aside with changes made in last couple of months.

 

 

Would some buff like T26E4 got help this legendary tank? Any balance suggestions?

 

 



Laatikkomafia #2 Posted 15 July 2017 - 06:51 PM

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Give it 210 mm of penetration.

 

Buff the accuracy slightly.

 

Remove the preferential MM.



1ncompetenc3 #3 Posted 15 July 2017 - 06:53 PM

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Does this board support auto-ban filters? Because I think we need one for threads with IS-6 in the title.

Balc0ra #4 Posted 15 July 2017 - 06:57 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 15 July 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

Remove the preferential MM.

 

Not ideal. As most bought it for that alone. And I suspect most would want a refund for it if removed. As 210 pen is equally useless vs most tier X targets as 175 is now as top tier.

 

But 210 ish AP pen should be more then enough tbh. And push the gold pen to 250. Why 250? Because the WZ-111 and 112 along with the T26E4 has 250 pen or higher with their gold ammo. All with limited MM. Might as well here to. To prepare it for any future "OP" premium tanks it will inevitably face.

 

On WOT blitz the IS-6 has a 2nd gun with 221 pen and 270 gold pen with way less ROF. But even that would be tad overkill.


Edited by Balc0ra, 15 July 2017 - 06:57 PM.


Browarszky #5 Posted 15 July 2017 - 07:44 PM

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View Post1ncompetenc3, on 15 July 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

Does this board support auto-ban filters? Because I think we need one for threads with IS-6 in the title.

 

Not as long as they haven't actually buffed it.

ZorzDePaloma #6 Posted 22 July 2017 - 01:08 PM

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View PostLaatikkomafia, on 15 July 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

Give it 210 mm of penetration.

 

Buff the accuracy slightly.

 

Remove the preferential MM.

210 pen is more than enough so you can fight against other tanks without gold. T26E4 got a great buff and now it is ok again. No need to remove preff mm. 

View Post1ncompetenc3, on 15 July 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

Does this board support auto-ban filters? Because I think we need one for threads with IS-6 in the title.

We would need it in case they fix it. But since it is broken, this might be the better way to show them how many people are not satisfied with recent changes in "balance".



ClassicFrog #7 Posted 22 July 2017 - 01:19 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 15 July 2017 - 05:57 PM, said:

And push the gold pen to 250. Why 250? Because the WZ-111 and 112 along with the T26E4 has 250 pen or higher with their gold ammo.

 

WZ-111 pays the price of it's 250 pen. It uses HEAT, which is way less reliable than APCR. HEAT is generally useful, because it has better pen than it's APCR counterparts. But if both types get the same pen then the HEAT is in most cases way, way inferior.

rekt_that_tank #8 Posted 22 July 2017 - 01:22 PM

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is 6 dead

t110 e5 dead

IS 7 dead

wz prem t8 dead

type 59 dead

WG wher u going with prem shop sells?

defender op

patriot good

skorpion good

chrysler OP

new WZ 111 A5 OP

PLEASE do smthing in next patch

 



anonym_uktlgGKuDbuG #9 Posted 22 July 2017 - 01:29 PM

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The IS-6 is broken. Buffing its pen to be able to deal easily with the new heavily armored tier 8 and 9 tanks will make it extremely good because of its preferential matchmaking. There needs to be a noticeable downside to tanks with pref MM.

 

Slightly buffing the penetration and possibly the gun handling is the only way to fix this..  They can't remove the pref MM as that would be a nerf. My suggestion would be to buff its penetration to around 195 AP and 235 APCR. You can't give it gold ammo with 250 pen or more because that would make it an OP premium that doesn't even see tier X. By comparsion, the Patriot, Liberte and Defender all have 259-265 gold pen, and they see tier X.

 

View PostClassicFrog, on 22 July 2017 - 01:19 PM, said:

 

WZ-111 pays the price of it's 250 pen. It uses HEAT, which is way less reliable than APCR. HEAT is generally useful, because it has better pen than it's APCR counterparts. But if both types get the same pen then the HEAT is in most cases way, way inferior.
 

HEAT is better vs flat surfaces, and at long distances, because it doesn't lose any penetration. APCR always feels really funky and bouncy to me, but at least it goes through spaced armor/tracks.


Edited by Tr0gledyte, 22 July 2017 - 01:42 PM.


ClassicFrog #10 Posted 22 July 2017 - 02:09 PM

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View PostTr0gledyte, on 22 July 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

HEAT is better vs flat surfaces, and at long distances, because it doesn't lose any penetration. APCR always feels really funky and bouncy to me, but at least it goes through spaced armor/tracks.

 

With the the actual distances at which tanks engage in WoT and with the insignificant (over these engagement distances) pen drop off for AP and APCR the pen retention HEAT has in a non-issue. And so, HEAT is only as good against flat surface as AP or APCR. It's only real advantage (apart from generally having higher pen, that is) is that it autobounces at steeper angles than AP or APCR, making it a good choice against these Swedish tank destroyers that rely on the angles for protection. It's only 3 such TD's in the game though, so it's situational at best. Also, although there are exceptions, HEAT shells fly slower, which may be a factor against fast moving targets.






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