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Eric11082000 #1 Posted 16 July 2017 - 02:32 AM

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​Lets all start a petition to fire wgs balance department because clearly they are not doing their jobs. Tier 8: are you shitting me. They cant even balance NON-premiums so its not like money is the only factor (although it is most definitely the biggest one). Look at the O-ho and vk 100.01p. What the actual [edited]. Who in their right minds can call that balanced. What the [edited]are they thinking when they release new tanks????? "Lets give a tank ridiculous frontal armour WITH NO WEAKSPOTS (even the [edited]cupola on the vk is not a weakspot like what the actual [edited]) and a gun which is as good as an equal tier td because balance". It doesnt take a genius to realise oh wait that might not be balanced? Lets not even start with the defender [edited]. Stop shoving money up your asses and actually do your [edited]jobs.



Poerhis #2 Posted 16 July 2017 - 07:46 AM

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Both tanks are fairly easily penetrable for tier 8 tanks. Never had any real trouble with either of them. What tank are you using against them?

brumbarr #3 Posted 16 July 2017 - 08:13 AM

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View PostIllort, on 16 July 2017 - 07:46 AM, said:

Both tanks are fairly easily penetrable for tier 8 tanks. Never had any real trouble with either of them. What tank are you using against them?

Realy? Easily pennable? They are the toughest tanks at tier8 and espesially against the vk you need to aim carefully and get good rng to pen. 

If you dont have trouble against them you arent human.



RamRaid90 #4 Posted 16 July 2017 - 08:14 AM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 16 July 2017 - 07:13 AM, said:

Realy? Easily pennable? They are the toughest tanks at tier8 and espesially against the vk you need to aim carefully and get good rng to pen. 

If you dont have trouble against them you arent human.

 

No he's probably a try hard who has full premium ammo loaded as standard in every tank.

Poerhis #5 Posted 16 July 2017 - 08:22 AM

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Yeah. Not even gonna try to be constructive then. Rage on, guys.

 

Edit: and straight to ad hominem. Have a nice day. :)


Edited by Illort, 16 July 2017 - 09:05 AM.


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View PostIllort, on 16 July 2017 - 07:22 AM, said:

Yeah. Not even gonna try to be constructive then. Rage on, guys.

 

Maybe then you could actually produce an argument to counter why the Defender, arguably the most overpowered tank tier for tier in the game, is so easy to defeat?

 

When ALL statistics say completely the opposite. The VK 100.01P is the TOP tier VIII tank for shells recieved WITHOUT damage. Blocking 51% of shells fired at it. The Defender is 4th, and the 252u 5th/

Alongside this the 252U/Defender is:

2nd in damage dealt per minute of battle,

1st in average win rate,

4th for survived,

Etc etc.



Shnuks #7 Posted 16 July 2017 - 08:54 AM

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I think people don't understand that there's a difference between pennable and easily pennable.

 

TVP VTU = easily pennable

VK = can be penned yes, but easily? Yeah no



Enderman21 #8 Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:03 AM

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View PostIllort, on 16 July 2017 - 06:46 AM, said:

Both tanks are fairly easily penetrable for tier 8 tanks. Never had any real trouble with either of them. What tank are you using against them?

 

View PostIllort, on 16 July 2017 - 07:22 AM, said:

Yeah. Not even gonna try to be constructive then. Rage on, guys.

 

Good for you then.

 

Maybe the rest of us suck at this game. 



Y_O_L_0 #9 Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:10 AM

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Fire the balance team? Nah, that would be way too extreme, have some respect for those guys, they are working hard to make us satisfied. Instead World of Tanks should be taken away from Wargaming.

jabster #10 Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:20 AM

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I think you're making a mistake to assume that the balancing team are both in control of their overall direction and want tanks to be balanced. My slightly cynical view is that one of those isn't true.

 

Think of it like this, a long time ago WG pretty much said that they deliberately put UP tanks in tech trees to encourage the conversion of exp. Is it really much of a leap of faith to assume that they do the same with OP tanks?



Hammerhead20 #11 Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:28 AM

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View PostIllort, on 16 July 2017 - 09:46 AM, said:

Both tanks are fairly easily penetrable for tier 8 tanks. Never had any real trouble with either of them. What tank are you using against them?

 

Yeah, everything is "easily penetrable" with Premium ammo...

 

Why you didn't said that in the first place?



GekkoGordon #12 Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:37 AM

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I have a VK100.01P. The armor is excellent, but the mobility is so bad that it actually makes the tank balanced. You can literally get flanked by other heavies, let alone zippy tanks like T-44.

 

Tank traverse (°/sec) 15.64

 

… soft (°/sec) 7.92

 

You've read that right. 8 degrees tank traverse on soft terrain. An AMX 40 can outflank you.

 

Jap heavies are definitely more mobile.

 
The LFP is also pretty weak compared to O-Ho and Defender, even when very angled. 

Edited by GekkoGordon, 16 July 2017 - 09:40 AM.


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Personally I struggle to see anything this game to suggest there is a whole department committed to balance 

Eric11082000 #14 Posted 16 July 2017 - 10:47 AM

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View PostGekkoGordon, on 16 July 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

I have a VK100.01P. The armor is excellent, but the mobility is so bad that it actually makes the tank balanced. You can literally get flanked by other heavies, let alone zippy tanks like T-44.

 

Tank traverse (°/sec) 15.64

 

… soft (°/sec) 7.92

 

You've read that right. 8 degrees tank traverse on soft terrain. An AMX 40 can outflank you.

 

Jap heavies are definitely more mobile.

 
The LFP is also pretty weak compared to O-Ho and Defender, even when very angled. 

 

​Well current map design pretty much prevents this completely. How can you flank a vk if he is just sat hull down in a corridor with 5 allies behind him. You just cant. And the whole flank is now shut down because one tank parked himself in a hull down location. For example yesterday, a game on murovanka and their vk literally sat on one of the corners and stopped a push of 6 heavies pretty much single-handedly because we couldnt push with all their tds at the back. After the battle, I had a quick look at his stats and surprise surprise, a sub-1000 wn8 orange noob. Such a high skillcap....

DracheimFlug #15 Posted 16 July 2017 - 10:52 AM

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View PostEric11082000, on 16 July 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

 

​Well current map design pretty much prevents this completely. How can you flank a vk if he is just sat hull down in a corridor with 5 allies behind him. You just cant. And the whole flank is now shut down because one tank parked himself in a hull down location. For example yesterday, a game on murovanka and their vk literally sat on one of the corners and stopped a push of 6 heavies pretty much single-handedly because we couldnt push with all their tds at the back. After the battle, I had a quick look at his stats and surprise surprise, a sub-1000 wn8 orange noob. Such a high skillcap....

 

Fall back and hit a different corridor?

Laatikkomafia #16 Posted 16 July 2017 - 10:52 AM

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I think the problem here is the fact that the balance department has been fired a long time ago - and they have been replaced with accountants and bankers.

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Agreed. Their "balancing" department is a sad joke.

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Well I agree that the "weakspots" are a tad to strong on that tank, and a few others. The cupola should be 180mm at best, or nerf the lower plate instead. But considering that before this tank. WG had 999 topics a week about how crap the balance department was, since armor was useless on a HT etc. So when they "fix" it... you get the other group upset.

 

But at least it's a new balance department. And not the one that buffed the Jagd 88's lower plate to be way way stronger then the tier 9 Jagdtiger because the tier 8 "needed" it more vs the guns he fought.


Edited by Balc0ra, 16 July 2017 - 10:56 AM.


Eric11082000 #19 Posted 16 July 2017 - 11:13 AM

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View PostDracheimFlug, on 16 July 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

Fall back and hit a different corridor?

 

The way most games work nowadays is both teams pretty much lemmingtrain to one flank. If both teams choose the same flank, there is one major battle which will likely decide the outcome of the battle. If the teams choose different flanks, then a stalemate ensues. Of course this is a generalisation, but my point is that falling back to another flank is nine times out of ten not an option because you either leave your teammates and you will likely lose the battle or you simply dont control the other flank. 



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View PostBalc0ra, on 16 July 2017 - 10:53 AM, said:

Well I agree that the "weakspots" are a tad to strong on that tank, and a few others. The cupola should be 180mm at best, or nerf the lower plate instead. But considering that before this tank. WG had 999 topics a week about how crap the balance department was, since armor was useless on a HT etc. So when they "fix" it... you get the other group upset.

 

But at least it's a new balance department. And not the one that buffed the Jagd 88's lower plate to be way way stronger then the tier 9 Jagdtiger because the tier 8 "needed" it more vs the guns he fought.

 

If you would (have had) a closer look on these "armor is worthless" topics you would have soon figured out that one out of the 3 was true.

  1. The topic was more about gold ammo and less about useless armor.
  2. The topic was more about arty rather than armor being useless.
  3. It was created by an utterly bad player whos wet dream it was and is to sit in the middle of the open with his heavy, bouncing all incoming shots while killing all the enemies at the same time.

With other words. There was hardly any valid complains about armor around.

Yet WG did "listen" to these players and overbuffed armor. Now they keep it that way since they figured out that they can increase the gold ammo usage by doing that hence increasing there revenue.

 

Armor was never any bad. Arty makes and made it more or less useless. Gold ammo to an lesser extend as well. So when WG "fixed" arty the biggest thread to armor was gone. That should already have been enough of a passive buff towards armor. There was no need to increase the armor any further. Yet they did because they listened to the incompetent part of the community.

 

To be honest. If they would have competent community managers they should have figured out what could be considered a reasonable complaint and what is just stupid ranting. They dont have that. Neither do they have a competent balancing department which sees such things and dismiss them.


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