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Gboor #1 Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:17 PM

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Some of you probably heard that NAVI closed WOT section because wot is becoming complete e-sportcrap. That decision was completely understandable, but there is even more about wargaming showing that they really want kill this game. Most developers would try to do something to solve problem, WOT ASIA made "meeting" with pro players, but did you even notice what WG is actually doing at the same time? 
ESL, one of the most popular esport orgs had to shut down almost all tournaments leaving actually only go4wot with prize for only 1st place, which made drop of playing teams from ~~110-120 to barely 22 teams yesterday.
Go4WoT Europe Cup #324 24.06.2017 - 126 teams, 110 checked in - just before changes
Go4WoT Europe Cup #325 02.072017 - 112 teams, 89 checked - most people didnt notice they removed prizes, so we notice only slight drop
Go4WoT Europe Cup #326 09.07.2017 - 48 teams, 32 checked - boom, most of people noticed wg are cheap and they removed prizes

Go4WoT Europe Cup #327 16.07.2017 - 38 teams, 22 checked - its almost dead now, 

this is comment of esl admin on questions what is going on. Of course people already tried to get any info, but wg is pissing on players and dont even bother to explain anything


Sure, as i said, they cancelled almost all tournaments leaving only go4wot with crappy reward for only one team making it completely pointless to play, so i would like to show past tournaments so you can see on your own eyes what they did if you are not into ESL things.



This is the place where i should say thanks wargaming for making another step to kill this game. Instead of trying to make wot in ESL even more popular than before, you shut it down closing another door to keep this game esport-ish. You piss on players not even trying to give feedback about your plans, people wait over 2 weeks for any kind of explanation on esport section on forum and all we get is answer of ESL on wot forum, WG didnt even bother to make their usual "fart" on forum with their "yaya we work on it". We all know how WG works on things, they dont. Even if WG was going to change prizes and shape of tournaments, where is the point in killing everything for weeks or even months instead of working on new solutions without shutting previous ones to make all changes fluent?

BTW. Here is my prognosis for WOT. All thanks to screwing everything they touch for last 7-ish months



japtank #2 Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:22 PM

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Nice tantrum :P

 

Play a game for fun, challenge, whatever you fancy, but if you're reward driven: no sympathy.



LaManche #3 Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:24 PM

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So by killing e-sports they'll kill the whole game? Maybe for you but the majority of us are plebs who don't actually care about the whole e-sports scene in WoT and are happy with just driving tanks in randoms and clan related game modes.

 

I hasten to add that this game from the very beginning was crap for e-sports because of the 25% RNG. Looks like it took the "pro e-sports teams" three years to figure that out.



ZlatanArKung #4 Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:24 PM

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Without some real changes to tank balance and game mechanics, ESL/WGL and other e-sports WoT is mostly a joke anyway.

Balc0ra #5 Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:25 PM

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Considering less then 10% even cares about E-sport in this game... and 90% of those again are the people that only go there to ask about a type 59 giveaway in chat. I suspect not many do care, or will care. Even with the perfect balance. I suspect E-sport for WOT would die equally fast as is anyway. As balance is not 100% to blame for it's downfall as it stands now.

Edited by Balc0ra, 17 July 2017 - 10:26 PM.


malachi6 #6 Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:39 PM

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I love the lame extrapolation that ignores exactly the same trend at this time in previous years.

 

Also, my epeen is minuscule. You would need a scanning, tunnelling electron microscope to detect it.  I could care so very little for almost all forms of e sport.



qpranger #7 Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:44 PM

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OP, the chart at the end is very convincing,

my mathematician friend says it is very accurate

and he should know, he teaches at university.



Erwin_Von_Braun #8 Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:51 PM

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in B4 locked:hiding:

Captain_Kremen0 #9 Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:54 PM

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FOOTBALL is a real sport, this is pixels. 

I do both but guess which is more competitive AND fun. Not pixels.



qpranger #10 Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:01 PM

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View PostCaptain_Kremen0, on 17 July 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

FOOTBALL is a real sport, this is pixels. 

I do both but guess which is more competitive AND fun. Not pixels.

 

Unless one supports QPR :(

Ceeb #11 Posted 18 July 2017 - 04:40 AM

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View Postqpranger, on 17 July 2017 - 10:01 PM, said:

 

Unless one supports QPR :(

 

Or Norwich 



Phobos4321 #12 Posted 18 July 2017 - 05:09 AM

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wg was never big in esports  also the esports aspect of WoT isnt big either

 

ESL or whatever i couldnt care less

WoT isnt aimed at teenangers  but probably at players aging 30-40 already, no school, or university but people with probably a job and family 

how many members of the esport cpmmunity would match that criteria ?

 

also watching the graph you posted you should be able to notice its every year that the number of players drop about july/august while they rise at winter again

 

nice weather sun, summer isnt it a good sign ppl still got better things to do than spending all their time playing wot ?



shishx_the_animal #13 Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:16 AM

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View PostErwin_Von_Braun, on 17 July 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

in B4 locked:hiding:

 



HunterXHunter8 #14 Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:20 AM

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lol how can any game have e-sports if it has rng in it.

 

rng has no place in competitive battling, league of legends barely has any rng(only on crits) and it's top 5 games in the world played competitively 

 

nintendo tried to make pokemon into esports but it also has lot's of rng and the e-sports scene for that franchise will never get big. 

 



MacD3rpington #15 Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:25 AM

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There is no such thing as e-sport, just usless nerds who can't do anything else, but playing videogames and try to make it legit.

Get a life, go out and do some real sports. That's actually good for you on all levels.

Hail WG to get rid of this palgue.

 


Edited by MacD3rpington, 18 July 2017 - 06:32 AM.


DracheimFlug #16 Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:45 AM

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View PostHunterXHunter8, on 18 July 2017 - 06:20 AM, said:

lol how can any game have e-sports if it has rng in it.

 

rng has no place in competitive battling, league of legends barely has any rng(only on crits) and it's top 5 games in the world played competitively 

 

nintendo tried to make pokemon into esports but it also has lot's of rng and the e-sports scene for that franchise will never get big. 

 

 

You are kidding, right? In which professional sport does the player know exactly the results of any given move in advance? The only one I can think of with no rng is Chess (and it is questionable to call that a sport). The next closest would be pool, but even then....  



Hedgehog1963 #17 Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:50 AM

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View PostDracheimFlug, on 18 July 2017 - 05:45 AM, said:

 

You are kidding, right? In which professional sport does the player know exactly the results of any given move in advance? The only one I can think of with no rng is Chess (and it is questionable to call that a sport). The next closest would be pool, but even then....  

 

Chess: "One unbalanced scenario with no replay value."
 

Frostilicus #18 Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:53 AM

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I love that chart with the home made bit on the end, made my morning :)

Phobos4321 #19 Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:19 AM

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just there were at least 5 -7 trends before that could have been enlonged

 

enabling you do claim the game already died in 2014, or showing a player boom 

thought the highest peak in that graph strangly was early this year



jabster #20 Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:24 AM

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View PostDracheimFlug, on 18 July 2017 - 05:45 AM, said:

 

You are kidding, right? In which professional sport does the player know exactly the results of any given move in advance? The only one I can think of with no rng is Chess (and it is questionable to call that a sport). The next closest would be pool, but even then....  

 

This is what I call RNG.

 






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