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Unangwata #1 Posted 19 July 2017 - 07:07 PM

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I don't know any other t7 tank that hits so weak. What's the reason to gimp that legendary tank with paper gun, it doesn't even match the look. Maybe it has higher rate of fire obviously but it's less useful for medium, kinda slow tank.

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It brings some variety.

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It could do with a slight damage buff (to like 150-160 damage per shot) or a ROF buff but it's main strength is its fantastic pen and really its huge hitpoints pool which i realise just kinda make it an HP pinata but meh, that's just how it is. Most tier 7 meds are turds anyway.  

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because its a mosquito for WOT

 

it just spit on enemies and annoy them to death with his high pen bites 

 

use it like a sniper and will see results ;)

 

yes...its a bit slow and fat...but like i said, is a sniper.


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JustMonika #5 Posted 19 July 2017 - 08:48 PM

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It has some form of armour and a good slap of hitpoints. So you can take a hit and shoot twice in return often. Maybe even more if you are dealing with a slow heavy.
Never had an issue with the mobility, I got where I needed to go and with its good viewrange it can spot enemies rather well.
But everyone their own preferences.

Balc0ra #6 Posted 19 July 2017 - 09:05 PM

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Main reason why I never did enjoy it. That and the Challenger are fairly fine as top tier. But in a +2 game. Most targets don't care about your alpha when they get in your face or need to cross an open area to kill your team mates.

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View PostBucifel, on 19 July 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

because its a mosquito for WOT

 

it just spit on enemies and annoy them to death with his high pen bites 

 

use it like a sniper and will see results ;)

 

yes...its a bit slow and fat...but like i said, is a sniper.

 

Yeah, sniping with 135 alpha is such a wonderful thing. You sit 400m away from frontline, the enemy runs and instead of hitting him for 400 like a TD you hit him for 135 after which he will probably find cover. You can expect to do that like 5 times a game so you'll have piled up almost 700 damage! Sick stuff. You're once again showing your outstanding knowledge.


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View Postkripton69, on 20 July 2017 - 03:40 AM, said:

 

Yeah, sniping with 135 alpha is such a wonderful thing. You sit 400m away from frontline, the enemy runs and instead of hitting him for 400 like a TD you hit him for 135 after which he will probably find cover. You can expect to do that like 5 times a game so you'll have piled up almost 700 damage! Sick stuff. You're once again showing your outstanding knowledge.

At least the Panther has 135 alpha and really good penetration.

The Chi-Ri has only 130 alpha and only somewhat passable penetration.



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nah, Chi-Ri has 390 alpha

Nishi_Kinuyo #10 Posted 20 July 2017 - 05:31 PM

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View PostRenamedUser_500212111, on 20 July 2017 - 04:03 PM, said:

nah, Chi-Ri has 390 alpha

Ha ha ha.

No, it doesn't.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 20 July 2017 - 05:59 PM, said:

At least the Panther has 135 alpha and really good penetration.

The Chi-Ri has only 130 alpha and only somewhat passable penetration.

 

Chi-Ri has an autoloader that deals 390 damage in 2 seconds. The two aren't even remotely comparable.

Nishi_Kinuyo #12 Posted 20 July 2017 - 06:08 PM

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View Postkripton69, on 20 July 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

 

Chi-Ri has an autoloader that deals 390 damage in 2 seconds. The two aren't even remotely comparable.

I dare say they are, because from my experience, you'll rarely fire, hit, and penetrate with all 3 shells if firing them within 2 seconds.

Chi-Ri is also bulky and poorly armoured, so sitting on the frontline isn't advised either, meaning that those shells will be at longer range. GL doing that 390 burst damage.



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light tanks have  crap guns ever single one, i'd take the Panther over any of them

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 20 July 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

I dare say they are, because from my experience, you'll rarely fire, hit, and penetrate with all 3 shells if firing them within 2 seconds.

Chi-Ri is also bulky and poorly armoured, so sitting on the frontline isn't advised either, meaning that those shells will be at longer range. GL doing that 390 burst damage.

 

I've played through the Chi-Ri and it's nothing like a Panther. The main strength of Chi-Ri is its burst damage which is the main weakness of the Panther. I played my Chi-Ri as a close range brawler medium and it worked quite well, at least on the scale of tier 7 mediums. I'd never consider sniping with a gun with so much trading potential which also incidentally has low penetration and poor shell speed.

 

The reason why I didn't mind my Chi-Ri grind was that it was unique enough in a positive way and it offered me a 390 burst gun with -10 gun depression on a fairly mobile platform. That's enough. It can punish distracted enemies or enemies who are reloading and it can out-trade enemies in many cases.

 

Panther on the other hand isn't really good in any role. With poor burst damage it never gets anywhere near its DPM from the long range. Most enemies will be alert after the first shot and then they have 3-4 seconds to angle their tank or find cover. With the lowest burst damage of its entire tier it's always on the receiving end of trades which makes it poor at winning area. With rather derpy gun handling it doesn't even hit snap shots. It has -8 gun depression which is ok but considering the poor armor and meh mobility it's hardly anything to write home about. It does have penetration, sure, but penetration is one of the worst stats in the game to have as the "highlight" stat because it's the only hardstat that can be directly fixed through loading premium ammo.

 

Besides having 198 or whatever penetration Panther has is hardly remarkable. We're not talking about 250 penetration or any real overkill number here. 198 is already going to be obsolete against many tier 8 heavies, and even if you manage to penetrate an IS-3 with a highroll it loses less than 10% of its health. Chi-Ri's 390 damage burst will still hurt tier 8-9 tanks a lot.


I'm not going to say that Chi-Ri is a great tank but it's much better at winning area than a Panther. Too many maps nowadays are all about frontal brawls. If you don't have any armor, burst damage is probably the next best thing to have.


Edited by kripton69, 20 July 2017 - 08:01 PM.


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kripton69

 I've played through the Chi-Ri and it's nothing like a Panther. The main strength of Chi-Ri is its burst damage which is the main weakness of the Panther. I played my Chi-Ri as a close range brawler medium and it worked quite well, at least on the scale of tier 7 mediums. I'd never consider sniping with a gun with so much trading potential which also incidentally has low penetration and poor shell speed.

 Funny then how my only ace match in the Chi-Ri has been where every single point of damage has been at 300m+ range.

http://wotreplays.com/site/3377811

kripton69

 Chi-Ri's 390 damage burst will still hurt tier 8-9 tanks a lot.

 Implying you can penetrate them. :girl:

kripton69

 I've played through the Chi-Ri and it's nothing like a Panther.

 The panther has: better mobility, better armour, better DPM.

The only thing the Chi-Ri has going for it is the autoloader, and even that isn't always reliable.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 20 July 2017 - 06:08 PM, said:

I dare say they are, because from my experience, you'll rarely fire, hit, and penetrate with all 3 shells if firing them within 2 seconds.

Chi-Ri is also bulky and poorly armoured, so sitting on the frontline isn't advised either, meaning that those shells will be at longer range. GL doing that 390 burst damage.

 

The rapid fire Chi-Ri clip gives it an edge close up. As I've had no issues getting 3 pens vs most targets then, even higher tiers. At medium to long range vs the Panther. Then yes that won't happen. But spending an extra half second pr shot to let the aim settle still works, no issues dealing damage at any rage with it. Just like the Panther

 

I'll take my Chi-Ri over the Panther any day. And I do play my Chi-Ri aggressive. Always have. To make the most of that rapid fire and short reload. Never did get that to work on the Panther. Even on the HT line sending 2 clips into an IS after he did send one into our HT's. And he can fire back in time.


Edited by Balc0ra, 20 July 2017 - 08:41 PM.


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Chi Ri was so much more enjoyable than the Panther its not even funny, Panther is just so meh. It should either have a reload buff or the alpha increased by 20-30.

Edit: But hey, cheer up OP, the Panther 2 is an even worse experience than the Panther so you've got all that fun to look forward to!


Edited by fishbob101, 20 July 2017 - 08:45 PM.


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View Postfishbob101, on 20 July 2017 - 08:42 PM, said:

Chi Ri was so much more enjoyable than the Panther its not even funny, Panther is just so meh. It should either have a reload buff or the alpha increased by 20-30.

Edit: But hey, cheer up OP, the Panther 2 is an even worse experience than the Panther so you've got all that fun to look forward to!

Panther did get a buff recently, got better dpm and gun handling.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 20 July 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

I dare say they are, because from my experience, you'll rarely fire, hit, and penetrate with all 3 shells if firing them within 2 seconds.

Chi-Ri is also bulky and poorly armoured, so sitting on the frontline isn't advised either, meaning that those shells will be at longer range. GL doing that 390 burst damage.

 

Chi Ri is an excellent tank. I cannot actually remember a time when I bounced more shells than I penned in a game in it.

 

Panther is just a dog turd.






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